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Post by noasinger on Sept 25, 2006 9:44:40 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, Really good theater wears the masks of both drama and comedy. This is good theater. I’ve enjoyed the videos of the past week, especially this one and “The First Kiss”. Bravo, JR! The big conflict isn't shaping up to be evil cultists at all, but religious intolerance. And what has she revealed about it? Her fond memories of clinging to her father’s back as a group from her commune dances with a wild thunderstorm in the Wet. An angry defense of it when she spoke the fricative heard round The Tube. Her excitement and mature skepticism about Bibliomancy. Candles. Pictures of prophets. Special diets and rituals. Strict social rules. The common stuff of all religions. Most of the weirdness comes from other people’s inferences. I believe Bree’s character reveals the most about her religion. I have seen a lot of good in Bree and very little evil. So far. I hope it stays that way. Good theater is also like good lemonade, a mix of sweet and bitter, good and evil. Here’s hoping the Three Wise Men will fix us a proper drink with a pleasant aftertaste and a desire for more. Off to Work, FLWright All of the internet speculation -- everyone's Big Lens of Distrust -- the continual enthusiasm for interpreting Bree's religion in the worst, most spooky and dramatic and evil light possible -- is starting to put me in mind of Northanger Abbey. |
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Post by VanillaFlava on Sept 25, 2006 10:42:27 GMT -5
Thanks for some of the highlights from the other board. Is it just me, or are any of you guys also picking up on the unique language they got going there?
They constantly refer to straw men and sock puppets, etc. I think that's really kinda annoying in a way.
I really did like this episode, however, as we got the drama going again. It just seems to me that things are moving mightily fast now. I mean, they had their first kiss and now the guy is putting down an ultimatum? What kind of a best friend would do that without seriously thinking about the consequences. More determined I think by their way of introducing pacing and conflict than the actual characater.
I am going to be seriously miffed if we don't get some candid camera action going at that ceremony though.
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Post by robotically on Sept 25, 2006 11:03:00 GMT -5
I think Daniel is overreacting, but he isn't necessarily suddenly a "bad" or even untrustworthy character. He is legitimately concerned about Bree, and he feels hurt by her dedication to a ceremony she knows nothing about. Him taking it out on her was unfair and a mistake, but I don't think after this one that suddenly Daniel is the bad guy.
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Post by drquest on Sept 25, 2006 11:46:01 GMT -5
Well am I the only one that now that Daniel and Bree are not all friendly we will get to see the footage that Daniel took at the party that Bree made him promise never to post.
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Post by jayhenry on Sept 25, 2006 11:56:05 GMT -5
She's a 16-year-old girl with a picture of Aleister Crowley in her room. Crowley is known, among other things, for his lifelong heroine addiction, his chronicling of his experiences with psychotropic drugs and his extensive writings on sex magick.
It's neither offensive nor politically incorrect to "infer" that this is weird.
This is not like other religions. 16-year-old devout Christians, Jews or Muslims do not have pictures of men like this in their room. St. Peter simply did not moonlight writing books about his sex life.
But Jay, this is only "weird" because we live in a society where the mainstream religions never have sex in their religious ceremonies, so it only seems "weird" because of our background.
Yes, I agree, but that's kinda what the word "weird" means. It's a weird religion. (It also appears to be a fake religion) It has been presented to us as a weird religion. Daniel, who has been presented as our mainstream character (public school, parties, allowed to drive, has friends) tells us it's weird. The camp is weird, her parents are weird, etc.
I'm not trying to disparage anyone's faith in the real world. But in the Breeniverse the creators have presented us with a spade, let's call it that.
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Post by flwright on Sept 25, 2006 12:24:10 GMT -5
Hey J, I'm with you when it comes to Crowley. It's the best example of the story veering very weird. <snip> I’m not sure I would’ve picked Aleister Crowley and Thelema as the object of persecution <snip> While it is true that the company we keep is a refection of ourselves, I think our actual words and deeds offer a clearer view. I've seen very little of the bad Crowley in Bree's words and deeds (or her parents for that matter). I'm hoping that remains true. Regards, FLWright |
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Post by syncomm on Sept 25, 2006 12:31:54 GMT -5
Well am I the only one that now that Daniel and Bree are not all friendly we will get to see the footage that Daniel took at the party that Bree made him promise never to post. Oooh! That would be interesting!! I also hope we get to see the "play" from her summer camp -- we know that Daniel was there, perhaps he captured some of it as well to satisfy Bree's dad. Cheers, syncomm |
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Post by lesbrent on Sept 25, 2006 16:11:07 GMT -5
I haven't been to the other forum in a while. Got a little frustrating to follow. What are straw men and sock puppets referring to?
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Post by drquest on Sept 25, 2006 17:21:52 GMT -5
if he shows the party it will be to help his case of not being a jerk. That Bree is blowing the whole thing way out of proportion.
1. the kiss was very innocent mabe a bit of a surprise but nothing to cry over
2. she had fun and made friends at the party wile disobeying her parents. ie acting like a normal kid did not kill her
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Post by dharmabum420 on Sept 25, 2006 17:22:04 GMT -5
Sock puppets are multiple accounts created by the same person for trolling purposes. A straw man is a specific kind of sock puppet, created to dissent with the original poster, boosting the original by acting like an ass with the other. Kind of creepy split-personality stuff.
AFAIK, they weren't invented by the ARG community, I've heard the terms for near a decade.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Sept 25, 2006 17:44:51 GMT -5
if he shows the party it will be to help his case of not being a jerk. That Bree is blowing the whole thing way out of proportion. 1. the kiss was very innocent mabe a bit of a surprise but nothing to cry over 2. she had fun and made friends at the party wile disobeying her parents. ie acting like a normal kid did not kill her I agree with you on all counts! BUT, see my post up thread about a real life Bree type girl I met a while back. Bree (Jess) has this chick down pat, along with the way her parents are. I know twenty-one year old(homeschooled) boys who can't see a PG-13 rated movie without a church elder viewing it first... Bob Jones University, here in SC, still only allows interracial dating if there is a "note" from both sets of parents. I won't even go into the whole dating rituals they practice there...The dark ages are alive and well and I have to deal with these people quite frequently. Sigh. People like this (at least strict evangelical christians) DO exist, for better of worse. Tolerance of them is challenging, but this is what our country is all 'bout... ETA: The irony is that they are the most intolerant folks of all. I need to go to the Drangonfly, no purple kool-aid served there by golly!! |
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Post by robtomorrow on Sept 25, 2006 18:34:32 GMT -5
If this is not the last video from Bree, then the creators have a dillemma on thier hands, if they post another video too soon with Bree changing her mind it will seem silly, if they wait too long people will assume this is the last, unsubscribe and loose interest.
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Post by VanillaFlava on Sept 25, 2006 18:37:14 GMT -5
I think it is actually interesting to hear about religious groups elsewhere. In general, I think northern Europe is very secular. Ever since that Reformation deal we cooked up, people just wouldn't be put down in ritual ever since.
However, there has been a real growing movement of indepent churches and congregations. They organise themselves pretty independantly, and seem to not really want to mingle too much with the rest of their communities. They also seem to be flush with cash, with their member pitching significantly, while the big churches seem to be pretty much broke.
The scary thing is that they overtly seem to all be practicing a very fundamental christian doctrine, but when you actually examine it, I don't think their practices would even pass the most basic tenents in the new testament. At least not how I read them.
I think it is really curious that we live in a very secular world, and there seem to be a rising number of people longing to go to the opposite extreme.
Just an observation, no judgement, I am just surprised when I talk to some people and hear what believes they hold. Wouldn't have seen anything like that 10 years ago.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Sept 25, 2006 19:18:03 GMT -5
It However, there has been a real growing movement of independent churches and congregations. They organize themselves pretty independently, and seem to not really want to mingle too much with the rest of their communities. They also seem to be flush with cash, with their member pitching significantly, while the big churches seem to be pretty much broke. Same here in the States, with the gamut running from very small congregations to the new MTV style mega-churches. "Traditional" (Catholic, Methodist, Episcopalian, etc.) churches are all hurting for members and cash. The non-mingling thing is indeed a phenomena I have seen developing here in the States the last decade. The move toward socializing and worshiping only within the church seems to be on the rise. I used to see dart leagues, bowling teams, softball teams, etc. much more organized around workplace or social (Moose, Elk, name your favorite boozing animal) organizations, I see this much less frequently now and social life is very much confined to those of like-minded religious affiliation. I hear that this is also reflected in a lot of secular college campuses today also... As an aside (or maybe REALLY OT) the Creators are to be applauded for encouraging this kind of discussion, even if they have not done it intentionally! |
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Post by flwright on Sept 25, 2006 19:35:27 GMT -5
Sock puppets are multiple accounts created by the same person for trolling purposes. A straw man is a specific kind of sock puppet, created to dissent with the original poster, boosting the original by acting like an ass with the other. Kind of creepy split-personality stuff. AFAIK, they weren't invented by the ARG community, I've heard the terms for near a decade. Plato (427-347 BC) used the ancient equivalents of sock puppets and straw men in his dialogs. He would have them play the fool and argue with Socrates. A very effective effective way to win an argument and influence the incurious observer. FLWright |
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