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Post by hyemew on Jan 7, 2007 20:14:52 GMT -5
Well... the incest thing will not be averted if she turns out to be Daniel's sister, morninglory? Remember the much lauded episode "My First Kiss"? --It wasn't with Thor!
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 7, 2007 21:08:29 GMT -5
<snip>. Oddly unrealistic. <snip> Sigh. I think I have given up on any pretense of realism. Not just with them being real vlogs, but being real "fake" people. I spent a whole weekend arguing at the phorum about who can see what videos in an attempt to establish some sense of reality. Every logical question about a plot point was fanwanked away without a thought to sensible or logical discussion. I don't think even a TV soap opera could get away with as many illogical plot points and holes as this does. |
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Post by morninglory on Jan 7, 2007 22:05:02 GMT -5
oh hyemew, i forgot about that. Good point. It's hard keeping track of 100+ episodes, these days. And curiousgeorge, I agree. Except, that's an element that doesn't even rely on Gemma, or the forums, or Opaphid or anything. It's such a simple thing to ignore. I know homeschooled kids. They have crushes and hormones and I can't imagine each of them goes to their own bed at night. Even if you don't have sex, I still can imagine them like cuddling or, sleeping in the same bed, or something. Some jealousy must happen if Bree says good morning to Jonas before Daniel, or something! so weird. It's a series completely revolving around three teenagers that, by my inspection and comparisons, act nothing like teenagers.
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Post by milowent on Jan 7, 2007 22:13:25 GMT -5
on the naughty teens theory i agree with morninglory that it seems unlikely there'd be no hanky-panky going on. the only realistic explanation is the creators' claim that they want to keep this PG-13. so, in keeping with movie ratings these days, killing someone is apparently better than having sex with them.
on the sibling theory: i vote that if anyone is bree's sibling, its more likely to be jonas. there's a lot we have yet to learn about him. and that makes daniel a more han solo type. And woudn't ripping the star wars plot (not like the unknown sibling plot is original to star wars, of course) be amusing in light of the creator's references to mark hamill when they were outed?
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Post by hyemew on Jan 7, 2007 22:28:20 GMT -5
so, in keeping with movie ratings these days, killing someone is apparently better than having sex with them. Milo your sarcasm is delightful! On a random note, I am shocked at how little I've missed. I'm still away from home but not where I was the past few days so I have some internet access unlike the other place where it was very minimal. Despite being away since Wednesday- I do believe I watched "Bree's Dad is Dead" at home the morning I left there has only been that one new episode uploaded yesterday! Good thing I've been away at the phorum, I bet those people are crawling up the walls. I did stop in for a second and read one or two little bits of threads and the Videos section especially seemed crazy. At least a few non "videos" threads seemed to be in it. That said, I enjoy the slow pace, I always advocated it back when they were going a bit too fast in my opinion. Things work better that way, give everyone a few days for it to sink in and let people think about it. That said, before I left I was monitoring the comments page (not reading, but monitoring), and every other word was NEW VIDEO PLEASE or some comment about them reloading every 5 seconds... I felt kind of sad for them. When I'm not out and about like this (which isn't all that often!), I will admit I'm probably on-line as much as most of them, but the way they just sit there at that one site commenting over and over how they NEED a new video and how their life has become reloading the page waiting for a new one, I feel rather sad for them. I think it's always been my feeling that, unlike how they think, Lonelygirl videos are/(were?) meant to be savored. The day we got two videos I felt was terrible because not only will it mess up people who might have missed a day, but it cheapens the worth of a LG video. Supply and demand. If you only get two in a week, then it's something much more special than getting one daily. Also it gives more time for the maximum amount of people to see each episode and it kind of cuts things short when one video only has one day in the "newest" spot while another might have three. I think they all should have careful pacing (though within reason, major alarm bells went off for me re: realism when it took Bree a week to question Daniel about what her dad (RIP) had told him two weeks before). Of course, when your two videos in a week ends up being Bree's dad being shot in broad daylight and that lame sappy beach thing, well give me 7 quality proving science wrongs in a week over that any day. Since B&D have completely forsaken that motif, perhaps one of the other Breeniversers like Paul & Andrea should pick up the PSW slack. God help us if LordGreystoke does though, ick. I don't even want to know what he'd prove wrong... I realize almost everything I just said is completely unrelated, but hey, I've been gone a long while and I guess I have a lot to say! |
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Post by slainte on Jan 7, 2007 23:01:38 GMT -5
Wow!
I wish someone had hipped me to that when I ws 17! damn! (j/k)
and Milo...I concur...the sibling thing is a little StarWars-esque but if Daniel and Bree are related it does free things up for the the inevitable Jonus/Bree hook up without dissing the less than hunky Daniel (geeze I am sorry Yousef! sorry sorry sorry)
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Post by Imparfaite on Jan 7, 2007 23:55:54 GMT -5
Well, the whole "Jonas and Bree could be siblings" thing would work for one main reason.
Jonas' parents are "missing" and Bree's parents are not actually her parents. Maybe Jonas' parents will end up not being his real parents too.
And then at the end, it will all come out that Bree and Jonas' parents are actually J.K. Rowling and Tom the Blentec guy.
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Post by milowent on Jan 8, 2007 0:29:55 GMT -5
And then at the end, it will all come out that Bree and Jonas' parents are actually J.K. Rowling and Tom the Blentec guy. LOL! YES! MUST CREDIT IMPARFAITE! (exalt!) |
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Post by Smashing on Jan 8, 2007 2:43:37 GMT -5
The reason I stopped watching (for a whole, what, 3 or 4 videos?) is I felt like a sucker if I kept watching. To invoke Peanuts once again, it's like we're Charlie Brown, and the creators are Lucy holding the football, promising that this time, they'll let us kick it. Then I would watch another unrealistic video where nothing happened, like kicking the air and falling flat on my back.
So we come here and complain, then everybody complains and the atmosphere gets too negative, just the combined weight of it. So then we make an effort to point out positive things just to try to achieve some balance and justify why we're watching, but that also becomes hard for me to read. That forced, misplaced praise, kinda like "this video sucked a big one...but when they do get it right, it's so magical that I am transported to a world of joy where nothing is bad and clouds taste like marshmallows." Let's be real. The show has certainly had high points...but speaking personally, even at its peaks, I've never considered watching LG a religious experience. Although I do find church boring and full of stories that don't make sense, so maybe...
Ok, to be fair, no one has ever mentioned marshmallow clouds, but there has been talk of "absolute magic" "lightning in a bottle" "amazing genius," etc. And it always strikes me as more of a reaction to the negative comments than sincere praise.
I have a solution that allows me to still watch and come here and discuss the videos without feeling so torn. I had to give up my expectations of this story working. It's over. There will be no video that ties up the loose ends. There will be no return to realism. If this were real, Bree would not be posting vlogs at all in this situation, and obviously that's not an option for the creators. So my solution is just to make fun of it. There has always been a fair amount of that from us since the beginning, and it's generally been good natured. I think that's the key. I feel I can and should ridicule LG because it is ridiculous. I don't have any hate in my heart, I don't know the creators, it's nothing personal, AND I don't think any of us should have to reiterate that every time we make a joke or a criticism.
In the movie Almost Famous, rock critic Lester Bangs gives the advice: "You CANNOT make friends with the rock stars. That's what's important. If you're a rock journalist - first, you will never get paid much. But you will get free records from the record company. And they'll buy you drinks, you'll meet girls, they'll try to fly you places for free, offer you drugs... I know. It sounds great. But they are not your friends. These are people who want you to write sanctimonious stories about the genius of the rock stars, and they will ruin rock and roll and strangle everything we love about it.
That's the problem with this interactive stuff. The creators, the cast, they post messages to us saying "we love you guys...I read all your posts...it's gonna get better...Thank you so much for watching!" They might send us myspace messages. If they don't read these boards, people close to them do, and we feel like we've made friends (in a sense) with the "rock stars." But a real critic needs to stay objective, and you can't do that when you're worried about hurting people's feelings.
So why do I continue to watch? It's just something that I do. Then I come here and read and write about it. I don't have any stake in the show succeeding or failing. If you feel like you have a stake in it, that's when you start to get upset. If you make your happiness conditional on the quality of their videos, you're playing a dangerous game. That game has driven some people away from the cove. It almost drove me away. I said I was rooting for the creators. Well, I'm not rooting for them anymore, but I'm not against them either. I don't care. I'm not a "fan." I'm just a guy who likes talking about this stuff with you.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 8, 2007 6:38:35 GMT -5
<snip> So we come here and complain, then everybody complains and the atmosphere gets too negative, just the combined weight of it. So then we make an effort to point out positive things just to try to achieve some balance and justify why we're watching, but that also becomes hard for me to read. That forced, misplaced praise, kinda like "this video sucked a big one...but when they do get it right, it's so magical that I am transported to a world of joy where nothing is bad and clouds taste like marshmallows." Let's be real. The show has certainly had high points...but speaking personally, even at its peaks, I've never considered watching LG a religious experience. Although I do find church boring and full of stories that don't make sense, so maybe... Ok, to be fair, no one has ever mentioned marshmallow clouds, but there has been talk of "absolute magic" "lightning in a bottle" "amazing genius," etc. And it always strikes me as more of a reaction to the negative comments than sincere praise. Guilty as charged Smashing and I appreciate your honest appraisal. I am probably the worst offender about gushing about any offering that even has a hint of quality to it. Perhaps it is because I get beat up so often at the phorum for being so negative all the time that I overcompensate when I see a glimmer of quality amidst the muck. I, like many here I suspect, question every day while I still give any of this the time of day. I think Vanilla put it best when he (paraphrasing) espoused that we didn't want to admit that we had wasted all of our time for fear of admitting we had made a bad decision to watch in the first place. Many folks have bailed, either quietly or with some element of drama. At this point, who could blame anyone for bailing. The Peanuts analogy was right on target. Amazing how Charles Schultz captured these moments of life so eloquently... Now he was a "Creator". Again, thanks for the thoughtful post. I will probably stick around if for no other reason than to be able to read things like that. |
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Post by milowent on Jan 8, 2007 9:08:28 GMT -5
Again, thanks for the thoughtful post. I will probably stick around if for no other reason than to be able to read things like that. To quote a common phorum comment: "Me too!" LG15 has became a soap opera. There is no ending in sight, at least as the Creators tell us right now. People who watch soap operas are generally aware of all their shortcomings, but can still enjoy them. Charlie Brown did kick that football once -- i remember there was a special where he did, which i saw once as a kid and never again. Perhaps one day lg15 will recreate the joy I felt that day. |
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Post by hookedonmonics on Jan 8, 2007 12:47:12 GMT -5
Well, the whole "Jonas and Bree could be siblings" thing would work for one main reason. Jonas' parents are "missing" and Bree's parents are not actually her parents. Maybe Jonas' parents will end up not being his real parents too. And then at the end, it will all come out that Bree and Jonas' parents are actually J.K. Rowling and Tom the Blentec guy. sorry, completely off topic for a moment here, but I was curious if your avatar means you vote "Not dead" in the great book 6 debate? Also, do you frequent either the Chamber of secrets (mugglenet) or leaky cauldron forums (I used to post on CoS sometimes- haven't been back in a while) Okay, to bring this on topic, I think if they're going to do a star wars, Jonas is definatey more likely to be the sibling. I can't help but wonder about Daniel, though. His parents are WAY distant. Your child is gone for weeks, and you just assume he's at a friends house?! They either know what's going on but have to pretend not to, or they are some heavy users. Or, they're not his parents either. Maybe the kids were all created at some strange medical facility, using crowley DNA. Maybe they should check out if there are any such facilities in a town/community called Anchor Cove. |
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Post by slainte on Jan 8, 2007 15:55:03 GMT -5
it occurs to me that it might be all right if it turns out that Bree and Daniel (or Bree and Joan-us) are related. I get the feeling Joan-us isn't really playing on the same "team" as Bree adn Daniel anyway.
It's entirely possible that Joan-us and Daniel cast aside the oppresive mores of our society, admit their love for eachother and live happily ever after in their mansion in the middle of nowhere.
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Post by Imparfaite on Jan 8, 2007 21:35:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna vote that Daniel's parents are heavy users. Heavy users with money. Because Daniel just got rid of his car and they didn't even care. They must be drug lords. Mmhmm. Hooked: Not entirely sure where I stand on the whole book 6 debate. I lurve Snape, so I'm hoping that there IS some good in him. But I actually half think Snape was given orders to off Dumbly if it came to that or that Dumbly isn't dead, but in hiding. I think I lean a bit more to the first one though... that Snape didn't want to, but he had to because Dumbly asked him. My avvie, however, is there simply because I adore the PotterPuffs.  I lurk mugglenet, but not the forums. In terms of actual HP forum-ing though, I roleplay on 2 different boards. One I made and another I joined like.... 1.5 years ago. Back to being on topic... Daniel's parents are drug lords. Bree's parents are a petri dish and a needle. And Jonas' parents are whale food. And I really agree with Smashing. |
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Post by morninglory on Jan 8, 2007 22:57:43 GMT -5
I dont think Daniel's parents matter. I think they just had him have the uninvolved parents so we didn't have to deal with something that wasn't a major part of the story. It's don't think it's that unrealistic that a parent of a college kid lets him do what he pleases.
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