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Post by milowent on Jun 25, 2007 21:03:23 GMT -5
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Post by robtomorrow on Jun 25, 2007 21:36:58 GMT -5
Something irks me now every time an emphasis is put on a word like "compound", I always start smelling pink herring, another word or phrase that will never be explained in any detail like "longitude" "free will" "purity bond" "ribozymes" "eternal song", I could go on forever.
But it does seem they are at least trying to tie a few things together now, although I'm not clear on how Jonas knows about this "compound" or how he knew that it was the reason they killed Bree's Dad. Also, the compound, cure-all or Order-off seems like just too easy a plot devise, like Bree and Daniel finding a rich friend, with apparently unlimited resources, just when they needed one. It will be really irritating if Bree is free from the Ceremony and we never find out what the hell it was all about.
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Post by flautapantera on Jun 25, 2007 21:41:42 GMT -5
So...Jonas is going to Texas in an attempt to find Dr. Neutro Geno in California.  |
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Post by oweniscool on Jun 25, 2007 22:28:44 GMT -5
1) It's looking even worse than HyeMew and Jeromy predicted. Not only did Jeromy get zero mention for solving the puzzle, there wasn't even a "thanks to you guys...". Nope, they didn't even mention that secret message; it's like it just *poof* vanished. Finding the Spencer myspace was worthy of mention though, okidoke! 2) So, is Jonas seriously driving back to Zavalla just to hook up with Taylor to get back at Bree for leaving him? Oops, he said they were going to "focus" on finding this Spencer guy, right. Taylor's mom is ok with him staying with Taylor? Wait, what's that I hear? It's the sound of LG15 jumping 1500 miles in Jonas's SUV. 3) But it does seem they are at least trying to tie a few things together now, although I'm not clear on how Jonas knows about this "compound" or how he knew that it was the reason they killed Bree's Dad. I'm a little confused. I thought that not too long ago, Daniel figured out that BreeDad was giving her the Epogen shots to make her trait negative (by raising her red blood cells, or whatever, it's not like the detailed sci-fi explanation matters much). Now it turns out there was this serum to make her trait negative? Like Rob, at first I wondered how Jonas was supposed to know all this, but I guess he's super-smart like Taylor and figured that out just from listening to the tape at the "mistress's" place. But really, it looks like this serum thing was just added to the plot as yet another way to draw out the ordeal even more. Also, the compound, cure-all or Order-off seems like just too easy a plot devise, like Bree and Daniel finding a rich friend, with apparently unlimited resources, just when they needed one. There was a time when I thought about compiling a list of LG15 plot devices, but now we are so past expecting this story to be held up by anything other than crutches, that there's hardly a point in me doing so. It will be really irritating if Bree is free from the Ceremony and we never find out what the hell it was all about. Actually, I'm not sure I want to find out what it is, because I'm 99.999% sure that I'll be disappointed by it. |
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Post by hyemew on Jun 25, 2007 23:04:35 GMT -5
All I have to say is the biggest and number 1 problem is this insane attempt to bring things like the shots into the plot now when back then there was no thought behind them and just random creepy stuff.
I mean think about it, Bree's dad was all gung ho about the ceremony until Bree talked him out of it much later. These shots were going on since JUST AFTER the reveal, clearly just one of those Crowley-type things meant to up the creepiness factor. Now they are saying that (I guess) Bree's dad was against the Order all along and so was trying to turn her trait negative while from all intents and purposes it seemed like he was all for the Order? I don't understand and really wish they had dropped all the loose ends back when they were trying to be one type of show since they've decided to make it something totally different.
And yeah, driving to Texas to "see" a girl and 'figure this out', when just waiting a bit longer for an e-mail to come from Spencer is all one would need- and all one can do at this point. Perhaps once with Taylor she could probably access the CIA's human GPS tracking chip system which they've implanted in every child at birth and track down Spencer that way, but conceivably shouldn't SHE do that in Texas while Jonas goes and finds him in California- and not watching her do it so you can drive back across the country to do it.
Mmm chance they're going to sleep together: 100%?
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Post by hookedonmonics on Jun 25, 2007 23:07:13 GMT -5
Actually, I'm not sure I want to find out what it is, because I'm 99.999% sure that I'll be disappointed by it. word. |
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Post by robtomorrow on Jun 25, 2007 23:42:44 GMT -5
Mmm chance their going to sleep together: 100%? I agree with everything you said except I doubt your last prediction will come true, although they might be setting up a new love triangle drama to amuse/arouse the phorumites. But Yea it makes no sense, as was revealed in the on line interview with Mesh, they intended to build the suspense with the creepy Crowley thing, which they did well, then leave us hanging on 10/12/O6. They really didn't have a clue where they were going to take it when they shifted gears and turned it to a ongoing series. They have now ended up with a lot of puzzles pieces that don't fit, so now that they are trying to tie things together they are having to do a lot of fudging. |
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Post by milowent on Jun 26, 2007 0:06:54 GMT -5
So...Jonas is going to Texas in an attempt to find Dr. Neutro Geno in California. of course, that's breelogic for you. think of the most logical thing for jonas to do (go visit neutrogena, or see messages on the phorum -- at least one phorum poster, marlasinger, has gotten myspace replies from spencer already), and you can predict he will not do it. what he will actually do is unpredictable, and i doubt anyone predicted jonas would drive to zavalla right now, just a few weeks after moaning about driving 1500 miles to get there. This time, he has no real reason to be there at all. not that they really had a reason to be there last time, though. if you recall, they drove there because nikki b. thought jules might be the new girl, and taylor was suspicious too. these guys keep saying they are tired of running, but before they take their next breath, they are off again. Motel / Homeless / Jonas' house / The Cabin / Jonas House / Aunt Alex's place / Las Vegas / Order Torture Motel Room / Mexico / Texas / Jonas House / New random rental / San Diego. I've likely left out others or got it out of order, but COME ON. --- jonas is not going to sleep with taylor. isn't she supposed to be 15? |
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Post by robtomorrow on Jun 26, 2007 0:17:52 GMT -5
To think I once suggested that Daniel and Bree take off on a road trip to flee the Order of Denderah, when Bree was still at home with her parents. My reasoning then was that everyone loves a road trip. I didn't expect them to do it again and again and again for an entire year.  |
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Post by hyemew on Jun 26, 2007 0:28:52 GMT -5
milo you forgot to mention the bunker. Why they ever went there or why the Creators would expend the time and resources to get one and set it up is beyond me. It doesn't seem to have added anything to the plot at all.
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Post by milowent on Jun 26, 2007 1:29:50 GMT -5
milo you forgot to mention the bunker. Why they ever went there or why the Creators would expend the time and resources to get one and set it up is beyond me. It doesn't seem to have added anything to the plot at all. ack! i did forget the bunker. right before texas. it seemed like when they went to the bunker, we were going to learn more (remember the whiteboard?). then all we learned was that bree and D&J could not make videos together for some reason. |
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Post by hookedonmonics on Jun 26, 2007 2:11:04 GMT -5
hold on now, we also discovered that Daniel can be hit hard by alcoholism and overcome it in no time. We discovered that Jonas likes to run, and Daniel doesn't.
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Post by hyemew on Jun 26, 2007 2:39:09 GMT -5
Oh how could we forget!
We also learned that multiple techniques such as "lying in a bathtub" does not actually help you remember anything useful. Whether that whole interlude of episodes sans Bree, most notably "Science Proved Nothing", added even one iota to the plot (besides having an excuse to not have Jess on the show for awhile) is completely unknown to me, and frankly if it did I sure didn't notice.
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Post by elixir on Jun 26, 2007 2:59:37 GMT -5
Jonas: "I know what you're thinking, right. 1500 miles..." Um, no Jonas I was thinking, "15 year old girl..." Well I've come here late; you've all said everything I was thinking. There's nothing I can really add but I'll ramble for the sake of it. No, it makes no real sense for him to go to Texas. Yes it bugged me when he said "compound" - but still this was no where near as bad as "Drew Avery." The Bunker...argh! Milo, I know why you subconsciously left it out. But also, for the sake of rubbing salt in the wounds - remember on the white board, "Cassandra."  As for the overall picture, the original idea was great with all the random, vague creepiness but maybe this is what was so great about it. I think what we've seen is that this storyline just doesn't make sense for an ongoing series. If Bree just vanished after all the creepy Crowley stuff, yeah it would have bugged me on some level but I would have had a great appreciation for it's mysteriousness. I think that if they wanted to do things with a similar storyline, they shouldn't have made a 'fake' ceremony. Bree should have done it back then, but then something really creepy should have happened to her while she was doing it which would change her, and it would be up to Daniel and the viewers to figure it out. If she was going to be kidnapped, it should have been back then. Maybe they could have had some kind of memory loss for Bree, where she can't remember what happened, and they could then shift and develop the storyline. We could be investigating past ceremonies, future ceremonies, and the creepy order in general. But I think that by making some "real world" links, like with ARGs, it would have added to the reality and interaction. That was one thing that I liked about CiW, it showed us a real place Bree had been, and showed us we could go there if we wanted to. I don't know. I'm sure they could have done a better job with some careful thought and planning. They could still be introducing new characters and keep things kind of similar to now, but much less ridiculous, lol. |
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Post by slainte on Jun 26, 2007 6:47:32 GMT -5
"The Cassandra Syndrome is a term applied to those whose predictions of doom are initially dismissed, but later turn out to be correct.
This denotes a psychological tendency among people to deny and disbelieve such predictions.
The person making the prediction is caught in the dilemma of knowing what will happen but not being able to convince others."
Can we just all go home now...
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