i was just thinking

[bigciafan]

thankfully this is fake

correct me if i am wrong
but giving that bree is 16 (in the show she is)

if it was real, daniel would be technically kidnapping her. and i know they are on the run and i dont know how far they went or are planning on going, but it would be illegal for him to take a minor accross state lines.

even if she went willingly or not.

and i dont think the parents have to be the ones to complain

if this was real, anyone who say it could call dcfs and get him in trouble.

just a thought

[hyemew]

Now she's 17.

[Smashing]

Bree's parents were the ones who were kidnapped, and they left a note saying to stay with Daniel. Daniel's not breaking any laws. He did however film himself breaking and entering one time.

[bigciafan]

as stated before smashing. it doesnt matter if the parents file or not. all daniel would have to do is take an underage girl for a few days. it is kidnapping in the eyes of the law.

i know this isnt kidnapping but if daniel were to have sex with her, even under her consent, even if her parents didnt care, if an athority, who did care, found out about it. they could tell the police, and daniel would get in trouble for sex with a minor. in most states. it is how the law works.

but hyemew did point out that she is 17 now. im some states i think that is legal.

[milowent]

jayhenry brought up a good construct to deal with all this:

jayhenry said:

Actually, there's an idea, that's been present throughout all of the series, that YouTube is safe from adults. I don't think it's ever been made explicit, but I do think it's deliberate. I think it's never been made explicit because the Creators don't know exactly how to articulate or justify the idea.

There was never a risk that her parents would see her complaining, never a risk that Lucy would see Daniel breaking into her apartment or spying on the ceremony, never a risk that someone from her religion would see her sneaking out to a party.

YouTube is sort of like Neverland that way, a sanctuary from the rest of the world. A place where kids go to be safe. It's one of the show's most charming elements, and it would actually be a shame if the adults in the Breeniverse shattered the tranquility.

So, its all kinda like Peanuts. The parents never intervene, never interact, but are there. Lucy could kill Charlie Brown, and you'd just hear some muted trombone noises in the background. Daniel can break into lucy's apartment, and Bree and Gemma can interact via vblogs.

[Smashing]

bigciafan, if the parents and Bree both give their consent, I don't think anyone has grounds to file a kidnapping complaint. If I am wrong, please cite some source.
As for sex with a minor, assuming they are in California, here's the law:
"An adult [18+] who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse
with a minor [<18] less than two years younger than the adult is liable for
a civil penalty not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000)."
source: www.ageofconsent.com/california.htm

Edit: personally I don't buy the Peanuts argument, but it's open to interpretation.

[curiousgeorge]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the ageofconsent website...Is this like a quick reference for pedophiles? A research tool for college freshman boys dating high school girls?

Yes, I realize this information had to be compiled somewhere (because it could be, no doubt) but I could not find a "mission statement" or the like for the site... Not saying that it should be censored though.

Just strikes me as kinda strange and more than a little disturbing, but then again I am a parent and don't plan on nailing my son's babysitter.

ETA: I doubt that this is a reference for any kind of real legal advice and the Viagra banner ad at the top of the page, while probably targeted well, does nothing but reinforce my queasiness.

[milowent]

here's the mission statement i saw: ""How old is OLD ENOUGH?""

jeebus.

the "email we receive" section is also telling.

sample:
"My name is MR, and I am doing a research paper for school on the age of consent. I have gotten a lot of facts, but there is one question I still need answered. If a girl of 16 (age of consent in Maine) were to have a sexual relationship with a former teacher, would that be okay, or an act of rape?"

what in the hell "research paper" would this be?

[trash180]

Potential revenue stream!

Special Request From The Creators
Thank you to all of our supporters who have made generous contributions through PayPal. We now charge the lg15 community with a new mission. In CA, people the age of Daniel and Bree aren't allowed to have sexual intercourse without incurring substancial fines. In fact, each act makes Daniel liable for a civil penalty up to $2000. In order to really move the storyline forward, we're hoping for everyone to contribute just $5. We could then afford 2 or even 3 of these fines. The Creators would like to see what we can come up with by November 20th. With your help, the best of LG15 is yet to come.



NOw THASsssINnnerRactiive!

God....terrible idea. Somebody smite me already.

[curiousgeorge]

You need to post that idea at the phorum. I bet it would show up as a real plea from the creators within minutes

I think we should just let this thread die, before it plummets into real bad territory.

[jayhenry]

Is this thread for real?

No way is it even close to kidnapping. Her parents told her to stay with Daniel. Do you think everytime you had a sleepover with your friends in high school that, from a legal standpoint, your friend was kidnapping you? When you were 17, you never had an 18-year-old friend who you spent time with?

Bree is completely free to leave if she pleases. But she is staying with Daniel of her own free will with her parents consent. This is not even a close call.

Daniel's 18, Bree's 17. It's perfectly legal for them to have sex even though the show has in no way suggested that this is even an issue.

[Terryfic]

I thought the idea of the police being told that Daniel kidnapped Bree would have been a better MacGuffin to prevent them from going to the police then the idea that this very small secret society controls every the police force in the country.

[lesbrent]

Terryfic, you had a very good angle that they could have used much easier than the whole "everyone else in the world is involved"

The way Bree and Gemma are making it sound, I'm not kidding when I think it sounds like an alien plotline of the Surfacing/Invasion type!

[bigciafan]

jayhenry said:

Is this thread for real?

No way is it even close to kidnapping. Her parents told her to stay with Daniel. Do you think everytime you had a sleepover with your friends in high school that, from a legal standpoint, your friend was kidnapping you? When you were 17, you never had an 18-year-old friend who you spent time with?

Bree is completely free to leave if she pleases. But she is staying with Daniel of her own free will with her parents consent. This is not even a close call.

Daniel's 18, Bree's 17. It's perfectly legal for them to have sex even though the show has in no way suggested that this is even an issue.

not to get nit picky but her parents said to stay at daniels. not leave and run around staying at hotels and such.
i just brought up the sex thing as a comparison as it pertains to law and consent. in no way did i think or speculate that bree and daniel were going to have relations.

[Smashing]

You want nitpicky? Daniel said the note said to "stay with" him. And she is. But because we don't know what the note said exactly, and so you know I'm not picking on you, bigciafan, I exalt thee! At the risk of belaboring the point (too late for that), it's still not kidnapping.

Jay, if they are in California (and I admit they could be in Duckburg, Calisota for all I know) it would be illegal for Bree and Daniel to have sex, unless they were married, for the simple reason that she is under 18 and he is over 18, as referenced above.
As for the credibility or the good taste of a site advertising teen models and viagra on the same page as the age of consent documentation, I understand if there is doubt, mixed with an urge to vomit. Sorry for dragging that into the cove, it was the first site google gave me. Here is a California government website with the same info:
www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=261-269

Of course, the chances of such a Bree/Daniel liason a) happening b) being formally brought to court c) proven with clear and convincing evidence to a judge, would be close to nil, unless of course...they video taped it.
And with that--the thread has reached a new low.
Normally I would end there with a "Goodnight folks!" before I take it any lower, but allow me to muse for a moment on the ramifications of posting such a video, as long as I'm on a roll.
Of course, YouTube would remove the video due to inappropriate content, but they could post it on lg15.com after a lot of paperwork and a retooling of the website to include disclaimers of adult content. If you believe the "Peanuts" theory, the only people Bree and Daniel would have to worry about seeing the video is Gemma, but c'mon...you know she'd like it. And with that--I've managed to take it lower.

Goodnight, folks! Drive safely.

Sincerely,
smashing