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Post by blackjack on Sept 6, 2006 2:06:07 GMT -5
I should preface this by saying that I think the orchestrators are using Lovecraftian source material, NOT that this is real.
--Crowley: though never actually involved with H.P. Lovecraft, has been associated with him for years. (see Simon Necronomicon, paperback book).
--Pluto: Lovecraft was thrilled by the discovery of the 9th planet, having predicted it fictionally himself (calling it Yuggoth).
--Stars: “when the stars are right” is a famed Lovecraftian phrase for the time when terrible things will come about/awaken.
--Cephalopod: the random tag from “Poor Pluto”, a name for the class of critters that includes squids, octopi, and nautili. Long a term associated with Lovecraft’s most known character, Cthulhu. (Fighting Cephalopods are the fictional mascots latter attributed to Lovecraft’s fictional Miscatonic University.)
--Themes: strange religions, children brought up in seclusion, preparation for ceremony, are all themes used in Lovecraftian literature.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying this is a solution or that the orchestrators are adapting a Lovecraft story, just that they are employing Lovecraftian themes, and as such we can postulate future events. For example – I predict that this is not the last time we hear about the stars; because the reason this ceremony is only held “once in a really long while” is that the stars must be right.
That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it. Thoughts?
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Post by sanberdooboy on Sept 6, 2006 3:51:47 GMT -5
Could be; for what it's worth I thought it might be interesting if 10/12/06 was a full moon, but it's not. 10/07 is a full moon. Anyway who ever heard of sacrificing a virgin on a Thursday? Seems more like burrito night than a big night for ritual sacrifice... like you might kinda want to take Friday off after something like that...
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Post by suttree on Sept 6, 2006 21:42:20 GMT -5
Man, if this has anything to do with Cthulhu, then it's the coolest damn viral marketing hoax EVER!
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Post by suttree on Sept 6, 2006 22:20:29 GMT -5
(Also, if it has anything to do with the Lovecraft mythos, Bree might be meeting a grisly fate.) And, on another note, Antarctica (mentioned in Poor Pluto) plays a role in the Lovecraft mythos surrounding Cthulhu: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu
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Post by suttree on Sept 6, 2006 22:26:10 GMT -5
Perhaps, however, the "cephalopod" reference is to the stuffed animal critter that she is holding while lying on the bed near the end of the Poor Pluto segment. Although it looks more like a shell-less turtle. In any case, it is a tag that's really out of left field.
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Post by suttree on Sept 7, 2006 6:21:23 GMT -5
Actually, it looks like it has a tiny shell. So, the "celphalopod" tag can be added to the other weird out-of-nowhere tags in previous vids.
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Post by klintron on Sept 7, 2006 19:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by tocky on Sept 9, 2006 9:03:41 GMT -5
I like this theory - though "cephalopod" is a pretty funny word, it's pretty uncommon, the kind of thing someone well-read would tag on there just for fun. While I'm at it, do you guys know about Ryan North's Dinosaur Comics? It's the source for the dinosaur clipart in the first video, AND there's reference to cephalopods in it. It's kind of a strenuous link, of course, but I guess that's sort of what we're all about.
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Post by sabine on Sept 9, 2006 18:35:13 GMT -5
Hi; new poster.
I don't know if this ties in with the Lovecraftian theme or not, but besides Antarctica/Pluto being mentioned in two videos, cannibalism has also been mentioned twice. Once, when she was reading the part about Romans eating slaves from "Guns, Germs, and Steel," and again when she joked on the hiking trip about Daniel cutting her up and eating her.
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Post by whatcameoutchomouf on Sept 10, 2006 0:11:05 GMT -5
Hi, also a new poster.
I am just starting to check this whole phenomenon out and I really like this explanation for the story. Random thought, but doesn't that weird sack hanging from her wall above the bed with the teddy bear look like it has squid tentacles dangling over the side? I mean, there are only two greenish arms, but they are kind of like tentacles. Maybe like a doll of a squid or something. *shivers*
I could be way off.
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Post by VanillaFlava on Sept 11, 2006 10:23:58 GMT -5
Well, as much as a dig a nice dose of the Cthulhu Mythos, I don't quite see why it would specifically apply here, or is being referenced in more than a coincidental way. First of all, Lovecraft is often cited by contemporary writers of horror fiction as one of their main inspirations. Check out what Clive Braker, Stephen King, et. al. have to say about HP. Therefore, it becomes hard to judge what is a primary Lovecraft reference and what is merely just part of general culture at this point. Point in Case: The Necronomicon. This fictional book pops up so much in popular culture and many people are simply not aware of its origins anymore. If this story were truly Lovecraftian, it would most likely have some elements (that are found recurringly in his fiction) that I don't quite see so far in the LG15 sage. Cosmic Horror I.e. all-powerful alien entities, slumbering beyond the edge of perception. These usually manifest through dreams, or are 'channeled' in the creative endeavours of artists. Once Bree starts painting weird pictures or starts having bizarre dreams, I think we would be getting closer to a Lovecraftian reference. Research Most Lovecraft stories are actually not first-hand accounts. So, they would often be told through a third party researching the actual incident. If we apply this here, Lovecraft would probably have somebody find a box with a bunch of video tapes, exposing the the horror as this proxy protagonist watches them. Madness One very strong theme of Lovecraftian stories is madness. Usually as a result of the research above. He often wrote that mere men are not equipped to deal with the realisation of the Cosmic Horror, and will go mad at discovering their own insignificance / futility of their actions. This is something that might happen still. It looks that Bree is undergoing some changes in the later videos. If that is what in fact their are aiming for, I think this would be quite cool and make HP proud Ok, this isn't supposed to be an essay, just a quick couple of points. Based on what I have read of HP (all the major titles) LG15 doesn't seem very Lovecraftian to me. But it might be a little too early on to make a final judgement. If they start making day-trips to Dunwhich, start chanting in weird tongues or progress more toward mental instability I might change my mind
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Post by klintron on Sept 13, 2006 0:00:11 GMT -5
[EDIT: I suggest moving this to the "religion" section] OK, finally getting around to doing some more research on this. Check out www.techgnosis.com/chunks.php?sec=articles&cat=phantasy&file=chunkfrom-2005-12-13-1057-0.txt for some info on real, modern Cthulhu worship. It turns out, and I'm kicking myself for not knowing this already, but there's a major branch of Thelema that's heavily interested in the Cthulhu mythos: The Typhonian O.T.O. Here's a pretty big resource if anyone wants to dig in: user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/staley.htmI found a summary, on the "heretical Scientologist" Channel Null's now offline web site (google cache link): 72.14.203.104/search?q=cache%3As3eSj_QXAi8J%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.loudwire.net%2F~channel_null%2F17108.html%20Typhonian%20Ordo%20Templi%20Orientis%20cthulhuIn case the cache expires: ## We can't get to the global conspiracy just yet. We have to detour into the Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis. In Kaos 14, Joel Biroco has an article, "The ultimate Goal of the Ordo Templi Orientis," but before we get to that, we need to stop and take a brief look at Kenneth Grant, "the red-headed stepchild of the occult revival." Grant heads up the Typhonian OTO, which inherited something of a white elephant from Aleister Crowley: the Portrait of Lam. Lam is, or was, a praeterhuman intelligence Crowley contacted in the New York Working, between October 1917 and 1918. While communicating with spirits has never stood beyond any occultists' ken, Lam looks almost exactly like one of the greys--which the Brits apparently refer to as "examiners." Crowley also called Lam "guru." If you would like to contact Lam, here's a set of instructions and here's Crowley's documentation, "The Amalantrah Working." Essentially, staring at Crowley would seal the Gate that he opened for Lam, and later give the portrait of Lam to Grant as "a seal of authority"--but he may have given it to him to see just how whacked-out Grant was. Grant had a fondness for the Cthulhu mythos, and to him, Lam existed both as an entity and a map of higher consciousness. Following the death of Crowley, would splinter from the Caliphate OTO to found the Typhonian OTO, which sought and continues to widen the Lam gate and started creating others everywhere, to manifest the Aeon of Ma'at, when Spirit will return into Matter. Grant's writings have become the ur-texts for magickal workings involving the Cthulhu mythos. Grant expanded the Tree of Life, claiming that at Da'ath, "the False Crown," one could enter the Qlippoth, the Nightside Tree of Death and work through the Tunnels of Set. Working the Tunnels of Set and communicating with the various guardians and intelligences would result in certain powers and occurances. An illustration by Crowley in Liber 231 seems to have inspired Grant to formulate and identify the Qlippothic Tree. This strikes me as an intelligent form of the Evil is Good and Roll Your Own currents I addressed above, as I can understand an urge to recapitulate the Qlippoth to enable Crossing the Abyss--it could be shadow integration. Grant's fascination with relating the Cthulhu mythos to both the Trees of Life and Death, and the life of Austin Osman Spare, leads to concerns about the "false gnosis." The bizarre equivocations the Typhonian OTO complicate these matters into a Multi-variable Calculus, Fan-fiction, Qabbalistic, Tantric, Sci-fi Yoga that it makes the Catholic Doctrine of Transubstatiation look like simple arithmatic. For the Typhonian OTO, Lam, the Old Ones, the entities of the Cthulhu Mythos, and various demons are equally and simulaneously objective entities, extra-terrestrials, extra-dimensionals, subjective experiences, and pure metaphor. If that feels too nuanced to handle, simply bear in mind that the Typhonians work towards opening Magical Portals for these entities--some of which just happen to be the "Old Ones." Here's, Kenneth Grant on the ultimate aim of the OTO, quoted in Kaos 14: Briefly, the plan comports the eventual dissolution of all existing terrestrial governments. For these governments will be substituted "kingdoms" administered by specially appointed "Kings" of the OTO... etc., etc... They will prepare the way for Opening specified Outer Gateways to permit the influx of a great regenerative Magical Current... This is a cosmic vision and we are concerned with no other terrestrial aim. When the entire Planet becomes Thelematized by the vibrations of the Typhonian Current, then only will it have been prepared for restoration to Those that once possessed it, and that originated the initial life-wave. In Joel Biroco's words: "So let me see if I'm getting this, Grant wants to set up a world government to prepare the earth as a landing strip for extraterrestrials." ## Here's Kaos 14, which Channel Null references (very dense reading): biroco.com/kaos/kaos14.htmlThere's a lot to be investigated here.
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