NoHo Views in meltdown?

[Jennifer]

Has anyone noticed the views on NoHo vids are plummeting to just 2 or 3 thousand, each two days or so after release?

This is following a downward trend but that seemed to be reversed by Blue's departure and the release of the first month highlights video.

Now following Blue's return, her (scripted) faux pas about Natalie, and the girls' claim to be with that black guy that was racially abused at the comedy club by Micheal Richards, the interest seems to be waning. The association with the Richard's incident seems to be particularly badly received along with Cara's comments about taking in black TV shows. I think they lost the plot slightly there.

The hard core fans and comments are still around, but I can't see a NoHo vid making the front page at the moment unless they do something very provocative.

[lesbrent]

Jennifer, you are totally right. Declining

We just need more Eddie, that's all. And less Daniella and Blue.

What could they do to bring numbers up?

[Jennifer]

Yes definitely more Eddie, and I like Cara too. She's very versatile.

But, I don't know if these actors on their own are enough to get interest. I've noticed the vids with the biggest views are ones with some bare flesh or semi sexual content. Sad to say the pure sex angle sells the most. I'm not interested in the sexual content but I don't think that is a majority view.

On current figures If Eddie or Cara does a good video they will get more views than Blue, say 5,000 rather than 2,000. But it's not breaking the 10,000 and 20,000 barriers which lead to top billings and mushrooming exposure. The Kramer and Natalie incidents seem to have lost them some street cred

[jayhenry]

There are a number of channels that look like NoHos -- Renetto and Boh3m3 for example -- and the explanation for what's happening is pretty simple.

When the videos are first released, the subscribers are the only people that know. If enough of the subscribers watch the video, it makes it onto the most-watched of the day page -- a video has 48 hours to make it onto that most-watched page.

At this precise moment, the cut-off for the Most Viewed (today) page is 6,138. It updates every few hours. At any given time, I'd estimate between 20-40 videos have cheated their way onto the top-100, crippling users on the cusp like NoHos. If 6,200 NoHo subscribers watch a video in the first 24 hours, then it shows up, and is exposed to thousands of people who look for videos on the most-watched page. When this happens, the NoHos and WeHos videos will take off to 20,000-50,000 or so views. Occasionally, a video will get popular enough within 14 days to make it on the Most Viewed (this week) page, currently a cut-off of 83,000. If this happens, it's exposed to a bigger audience, and their videos will climb toward 200,000. Not many make it to the monthly cut-off, right now about 400,000, because it's pretty impossible to compete with the featured-videos on YouTube's homepage, and in a month, there's enough feature-videos to beat out most non-featured content.

The reason LG's numbers look so good is that she's the only YouTubers with enough subscribers to always land on the most-viewed today and most-viewed this week page, granting her that extra exposure. But as LG's 60,000 subscribers have lost interest, her videos are getting less views, and it's because they're climbing onto the most-viewed charts much more slowly.

[hyemew]

I was just looking into this recently too. In the past hour I had looked into Renetto and his seriously declining view numbers along with NoHoGirls. I agree with JayHenry, and it appears that the view cheaters are now resulting in a complete implosing of all the youtube stars. If the number 13 most subscribed can't even get more than 6,000 for a video uploaded yesterday, what hope is there for anyone?

[paul]

I also think that You Tube's technologies are having problems. I've noticed that the number of views stays stagnant for hours and then seems to take a huge jump on certain videos. I do hope that they can get their system fixed.

[Jennifer]

Thanks for the figures Jay. I knew there were certain thresholds to start moving onto the featured pages which leads to more views but I was not sure exactly what they were.

With 10200 subscribers you would think they would get at least 6 or 7 thousand views allowing for some repeat views, but it does seem a lot of subscribers have been turned off and are not viewing. We need 500 dedicated NoHo fans to do 20 refresh views to make sure they get 10,000 to start them off!

I think they just shot themselves in the foot tonight by showing a really bad Blue monologue. Her diction is garbled and I can hardly understand what she says some of the time. She was eating on camera too. If anything will cause subscribers to not bother viewing this video will, in my humble opionion anyway. I wish they would use Cara more. At least she is presentable and interesting.

[hyemew]

Blue is a mess. Cara is cute and clean enough to be viewable and keep people in.

Paul, when it comes to stagnant view numbers which suddenly jump, that's been a problem since I've been youtubing seriously. However, I monitor some videos regularly and have noticed youtube problems are even worse than usual. Number of comments for example jump around, sometimes videos don't show up for long periods of time, all sorts of annoying problems.

[wednesday]

I'm afraid I never watch a Blue vid unless there is a later reference that forces me to watch her. Hopefully the fact that I tend to watch the weho vids over and over will make up for the contribution I've made to the dropping numbers.

[Jennifer]

I'm tempted not to watch the Blue vids now. I really don't enjoy them and she doesn't seem to be making any efforts to improve. I don't mind that she plays a drunken airhead; that's the part. But she could still play it with some professionalism.

[drquest]

I agree Jennifer bule needs some work big time.
I am more a weho fan just because I like how that group play off each other more than the noho group. That and Eddie is the man. Even cliff gets talked up more in the weho vids than noho. I would love to see like a softball game of noho vs weho or some kind of competition it would be fun to watch.

[Jennifer]

You are totally right about the WeHo's

In a recent pole at our place we rated the actors out of 10:

Eddie 9.0 (W)
Cara 8.6 (N)
Leah 7.3 (W)
Brady 6.0 (W)
Cliff 5.3 (W)
Daniella 4.6 (N)
Blue 3.0 (N)

Since the WeHo's have all the best actors apart from Cara, their videos have been much better interactively. It also means Cara has a difficult job trying to hold the Noho effort together.

[lesbrent]

moviegirl1976 said:

You are totally right about the WeHo's

In a recent pole at our place we rated the actors out of 10:

Eddie 9.0 (W)
Cara 8.6 (N)
Leah 7.3 (W)
Brady 6.0 (W)
Cliff 5.3 (W)
Daniella 4.6 (N)
Blue 3.0 (N)

Since the WeHo's have all the best actors apart from Cara, their videos have been much better interactively. It also means Cara has a difficult job trying to hold the Noho effort together.

Jennifer, where is "your place"? Just wondering ...

[Jennifer]

I'm in West London, Les. It's my place but there's 3 others living there paying rent to help out with the mortgage. Hence, we are the "WeLoGirls" (and boys!). It's only me that is a member of You Tube though.

(PS I think it says I come from France on my You Tube profile, but was a fake move cos I didn't want to give them my post code which is required for US or UK people I think)