buckwheat
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Post by buckwheat on Jan 4, 2007 13:52:22 GMT -5
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Post by milowent on Jan 4, 2007 14:16:54 GMT -5
Something's working... The last two videos have gotten 420K YT views ("Unthinkable") and 328K ("Roadtrip"). When's the last time that happened? bree in the screencap is always better for views. but yes, its been a very long time since a video topped 400K (over 2 months) |
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Post by Terryfic on Jan 4, 2007 14:24:52 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the revver views look pretty much inline with all the previous ones so it is hard to say they are attracting a larger audience, likewise page views are a danger number to throw around or sometimes you end up saying 500,000 people tried to get into chat. But it does look like pulling a ratings stunt helped to boost their ratings, that is good, it shows they know how pull in an audience when they really want.
This isn’t the first time they have upped the drama when the views were declining. The numbers of the old videos are all so high now that you can’t really notice, but I use to track those numbers and every time there was a major dip for a few videos Bree would come on crying or something and the views you jump back up. The problem is they didn’t stay up for that long.
That is why I say just run with it, be like 24, pull rating stunt after rating stunt with no time for a breather. I will be curious to see if the show keeps these numbers or if they will drop back down again.
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Post by buckwheat on Jan 4, 2007 15:06:24 GMT -5
Terry: I used the Alexa Page views rating because I don't have a clue what Rank or Reach mean. If anyone can help me with the difference, I'd much appreciate it. I've read the Alexa descriptions and always come out scratching my head. I'm too old for this....
I'm pretty sure this wasn't a ratings stunt, but was part of the projected
storyline from some time ago....
BTW, forget about the storyline, these last two vids showed a promising jump (IMHO) in storytelling quality: there's chemistry between Daniel and Jonas in the car and some nice dialogue (donuts on stakeouts) , and I found the editing and music in Dad is Dead emotionally compelling, surprisingly so. Given all the Vlog constraints, given the seven months and 100+ videos in the bag, these guys still surprise and even delight me....I'm sensing a resurgence, here, an emerging LG 3.0.
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Post by hyemew on Jan 4, 2007 16:26:44 GMT -5
Well I don't know if it's that the drama has brought in a double amount of people, but instead people definitely do seem to be going insane over these events and so I think the upped hits have a lot more to do with constant reloading. Some of the commenters seem to be LIVING at the video's page waiting for the new one and are in constant blabbering there. As Terry noted once the drama happens, the ratings spike, but then things cool down and so do the ratings-- sounds like that could be in relation to people staking out at the page after the great excitement and then not doing that so much when things subside.
All I have to say is the Bree's dad was killed by... the Order(?) plot twist is plain bad and sensationalist. I know we have always had to partially suspend reality with Bree's world, but now with this it seems like it's been a complete and utter break from reality. I'm sorry but it makes no sense in any world even close to reality. The watchers have gone from a mildly threatening and ominous presense to something far more sinister seeing as they are capable of murdering those they are watching. At this point if Bree keeps playing their game and keep "running" from them instead of finding safe authorities to turn to (you can't tell me the Order is comtrolling EVERY police station EVERYWHERE) because now we see this game of running and sleeping with bums is far more dangerous than ever imagined.
It just... I don't know but I can't even believe this is what Lonelygirl has turned into... it's absolutely nuts. Any attempt to keep up a facade of realism should be abandoned, I agree with terry... either have the "murder" end up to be a misunderstanding or just make it 24-style insane, which on a low budget I don't think LG is too capable of (no money for explosions haha).
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Post by hyemew on Jan 4, 2007 16:31:23 GMT -5
As a quick summary, just dropping a line that I think buckwheat's contention that ratings go up significantly because of dramatic happenings has a lot more to do with the same people reloading constantly than a flood of new fans suddenly deciding to re-check out lonelygirl. I believe there is a relative baseline amount of fans which tend to go crazy and reload more when things get insane and then lessen that amount when things calm down. I mean read the comments to the video on the main page for the past few videos... those people have PROBLEMS, it sounds like they are LIVING at that page just reloading every minute all day every day, kinda scares me.
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Post by Terryfic on Jan 4, 2007 16:43:22 GMT -5
Terry: I used the Alexa Page views rating because I don't have a clue what Rank or Reach mean. If anyone can help me with the difference, I'd much appreciate it. I've read the Alexa descriptions and always come out scratching my head. No problem. I don’t really understand the difference between reach and pages views, but from what I do understand page views can be a hard number to interpret. It is the total number of pages that have been loaded from that site, but it doesn’t tell you if these are unique views or not. It could be a lot of people looking at a couple pages or a few people looking at a lot of pages. Without more detailed data it is impossible to get a true sense of the traffic at the site. I also agree that this likely wasn’t a designed ratings stunt, but it does function in the same way. It is clearly designed to be one of the more exciting chapters, so it is not surprising that it draws the most attention. I think it demonstrates their max possible audience at this point, like how a ratings stunt during sweeps is used to show the max possible draw to a tv show. I did also really dig Daniel and Jonas in the car together. They had some great banter. That is my favourite stuff in the series, when they just have people acting naturally. It is also impressive that the show is still holding together considering how long it has been running for. You say vlog constraints as if that is a bad thing. I think a vlog does constraint, but it also allows for a lot of new unique elements. Since the every element of the video is diagetic you are able to tell the story threw the editing, the music choice, these can be used not just to heighten the emotional effect, but to also show how the characters perceive the events themselves. Everything is subjective; the characters dictate what is included in the video. Giving the same footage two different characters should produce two very different looking videos. I think it allows for a much more natural way for characters to give soliloquies. You don’t need mysterious voiceovers to let the audience know what the character is thinking, since character can logically add a voiceover to his video as he is editing and reflecting on what happened. Sure, a vlog doesn’t let you do the same things as a more traditional show, but I think that is what makes it interesting. |
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Post by lesbrent on Jan 4, 2007 16:59:48 GMT -5
I think I can explain a rise in viewings...the holidays and back to work. Now I check from work (while my days are numbered to do so) and home. That adds more... and I'm sure I'm not the only one returning from the holidays... |
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Post by slainte on Jan 4, 2007 20:20:37 GMT -5
hey now...let's all keep a happy thought. Christmas wasn't that ong ago!. Maybe something is working.
Unfortunately, I have been sucked up into a lot of negative vibes lately. Upon a little reflection, I think maybe...yeah, finally some action.
Now don't get me wrong. I in NO way believe that anyone really got shot or is dead. That would be way too sad for the fragile LG fans. Surely, they "kids" are faking Pop's death - or are being duped by the baddies to believe that he has been killed.
No, we will see happier days!
(thank god the Xanax is finnally kicking in!)
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Post by buckwheat on Jan 4, 2007 20:51:01 GMT -5
LG & The Wire
I'm hoping this is where LG 3.0 is headed and I think it can go there.....enough action/cops&robbers backstory (LG 2.0) to keep the ratings up, but with enough decent dialog and character interactions (LG 1.0) to keep the purists aboard
Milo: If you think that bad, sensationailst, and irritating unrealities with boulder-sized plot holes are an obstacle to entertainment these days, then you haven't watched enough 24.
Slainte: Love that positive attitude!
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Post by trash180 on Jan 4, 2007 22:26:47 GMT -5
Whoa...work and computer issues have kept me out of the loop the last couple days....but man, DEAD?!?
Are they just having BD&J jump to conclusions? I mean, since they read the phorum they know that kids just LOVE to jump to conclusions...but I mean, are people going to be upset when he isn't really dead? Because I don't think he's dead, I mean I hope he isn't. He really is the person that made Bree the amazing interesting individual she is, and I'd hate for him to be dead. Of course, I don't know how much I'd like to see GG become the permanent BreeDad either, so maybe he had to die.
They couldn't have possibly seen much more than we did watching the "unthinkable" video, right? I didn't see any definitive death there. Up to now, the Order hasn't really done much of anything...ever...and now they're all guns blazing?
My guess is this is a lightning rod. Now that they have everyone's eyeballs, they're going to kick into a new story arc...one that depends on Bree believing her dad is dead (to drive the story) and ends in her finding him alive. Most Youtubers don't know about the ARG, or Gemma and I think they want to scoop up some viewers and try to get them interested in time for some new developments. (To be honest, I hope it gets interesting enough to bring back some of the Cove regulars that have been MIA lately.)
Oh...and good point about nobody caring what happened to BreeMom. What's up with that? You've felt sorry for yourself and helpless and all that, now it's time to get pissed! How many family members are you willing to lose, Bree?
Pretty video tho, innit?
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Post by hookedonmonics on Jan 5, 2007 0:10:59 GMT -5
The title is so abrupt and strange. I think I would've been more likely to say "Bree's dad died" or Bree's dad was killed" It just seems blunt and even a tad insensitive for daniel to say "Bree's dad is dead" unless it is either meant in the abstract (after what he did, bree's dad is dead to her now) or it's old news (bree discovered that her dad is dead, and was replaced by an android)
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 5, 2007 19:16:52 GMT -5
I posted this at the phorum also:
As a somewhat tasteless aside (please remember who named these videos...)
DB's fiery response early on in the series:
0024_To_Hell_With_Bree's_Dad_(yeah!)
Foreshadowing?
I personally don't believe he actually IS dead though.
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Post by Smashing on Jan 5, 2007 21:09:08 GMT -5
The "To Hell with Bree's Dad (yeah!)" title is the first thing I thought of when I saw the title "Bree's Dad is Dead."
If I were still expecting realism, I would hope Daniel would remember that he posted a video with that title while he was making and editing a tribute vid, and remove the old video out of respect for the (apparent) tragedy. But then, we shouldn't expect much from a guy who once videotaped himself breaking and entering.
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Post by hyemew on Jan 7, 2007 20:31:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but having a character being killed off just destroys any shred of innocence that had formerly pervaded the series, and completely ruins any shred of realism that might still be attempting to hang on. It seems like Bree has already started to 'move on' in ways, and will probably use what she learned from her "dad" to move the investigation further, making it completely impersonal. The human factor is being completely ignored. In various works of fiction, characters die just after divulging one last clue which the others then run with as they try to solve whatever problem they have, getting over the death in record time and almost acting like the character never existed or meant anything to them. Maybe they didn't. But not in this case. This was Bree's FATHER, whether fake or not, the one who raised her for 17 years.
The way I see it, there are two possible directions for the series to go:
1. Bree uses the clues from her father to move forward their investigation of the Order and what he told her will help bring her closer to a final(?) confrontation. Sure she might mope around randomly every few episodes for the sake of emotion, but the next scene she'll probably be making weird noises and complaining about being bored.
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2. Less likely, perhaps Bree does use what she learned to either learn more about the Order and combat them, or perhaps something different, and perhaps she will react like a real human to this death (so far based on the video following this one, she hasn't)... that would be a point for realism but also likely multiple points for annoyance because frankly it'll get old fast having Bree crying every episode about her dad.
It seems I've arrived at a paradox in my thinking, I don't want Bree to act relatively unemotionally about her "father's" death and move on with what he told her to further her goals, but nor do I want her to act realistically and actually act the way a normal teen would on losing her father. I think the problem I've arrived at is the way the story has turned doesn't make sense to me in either way. It is taking on adventure series characteristics, but having it firmly placed in the "real world" and a typical teen life is resulting in lots of plot holes. I mean who cleaned up the murder scene? It happened in a crowded shopping mall, this would be all over the news! Being that she's now an orphan and not even 18, wouldn't she become a ward of the state? Wouldn't they track her down? What about everything else revolving around this shocking crime in suburbia? And is Bree really still going to play this game of hide and seek with people who have now proven themselves to stop at nothing to get her? And furthermore... WHY are they stopping at nothing to get her?!
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I mean seriously, I know October wasn't the "real" ceremony, but Bree still made it seem like it was impending. It's now JANUARY, how much longer until the appointed day? In all likelihood it's already passed, and they either had to find someone else or just weren't able to do it. Either way, it's over now, what's with murdering someone because his daughter wouldn't take part, etc.? It seems like an overreaction of astronomical proportions. There have to be other reasons... and most likely there are... but they better be explained soon because I've felt this way since the very first time the Watchers showed up. People dedicating their lives with orders to stalk a little girl because she wouldn't take part in a little ceremony? It's all so bizarre!
**This is not meant as an insult to the Creators or anything else, nor am I expressing hateful views towards the LG series here... I am just expressing concerns with what's happened and ranting about what's been happening. Yes, I know I am a moderator at the other site, and no I am not going to pretend I am seriously disturbed about Bree and us witnessing a "murder via vlog (wasn't it murder victim pictures which sent us in an uproar over Cassie?), I feel like I had to say what I had to say. Point it out to someone, hope that there's some way they can rectify what I feel is a huge mistake if they continue on with it as is (aka not making it turn out there wasn't a murder, that window is still open...)
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