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Post by Terryfic on Nov 16, 2006 6:21:13 GMT -5
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Post by curiousgeorge on Nov 16, 2006 7:56:05 GMT -5
Are You Now, Or Have You Ever Been a Member of the Simian Liberation Front?
Loved Daniel's line, personal culinary issues aside.
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Post by Terryfic on Nov 16, 2006 8:26:41 GMT -5
I really liked this one a lot. It ranks up there with the one where Bree makes out with Thor as a recent favourite of mine. Lots of good jokes, which were delivered spot on by Jess – comic timing like this reminds me of one of the funniest moments in the series, when Bree interrupts Daniel in the caveman PSW.
Structurally I loved this one too. It was cute, fun, showed off Bree as being clever, while at the same time it helped advance the story, or at least addressed what fans thought was a clue. I tend to think Greg just walked into the shot and when they were editing no one noticed. I like that Bree seemed to have a real reason for making this video and talked more directly with her audience.
I will also choose to believe that Bree’s McCarthyist interview of Daniel, where she asks if he is a terrorist, was a shout out to the United Arab Emirates Actor’s Guild and to some of the fun we had during Yousefgate starting the rumor that he was fired because he was an Arab.
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Post by milowent on Nov 16, 2006 9:15:45 GMT -5
Hmm, guess i'm the negative one this time. That was one was OK for me, but it didn't rank up with My First Kiss and Poor Pluto for me. I think I'm having difficulty getting over them being in a motel for this long just doing nothing.
How will this story arc resolve? Well, since B&D aren't doing anything proactive, it seems like the Order will eventually seize them at the motel. It wouldn't be too hard for the Order to watch youtube (or revver -- they like to click on the ads, you know) and scout out motels in an expanding radius looking for daniel's car at a motel that has a pool. Of course they aren't going to see the Order just loitering around the parking lot. And they don't need bugs if they know where B&D are.
What would be proactive for Bree and Daniel?
1. Going to the FBI.
2. FBI is infiltrated too, you say? OK, make up an Anti-Order, which is like a network of former Scientologists or something, to contact them and help them. Get a cellphone call from them that you record on video.
3. Traveling somewhere farther away. Not really reasonable given the budget, but it would be cool to see them end up in D.C. or NY, or London with gemmers. Can they fake London somehow reasonably?
4. The Bukanator intervenes to help? That crazy divorced 37 year old web designer of russian origin, south african upbringing, and laconic prose is still watching, apparently.
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Post by hyemew on Nov 16, 2006 10:02:07 GMT -5
comic timing like this reminds me of one of the funniest moments in the series, when Bree interrupts Daniel in the caveman PSW. Yes! I agree! Cave was one of my top 3 all time favorite moments. I thought this one was quite funny too, I laughed a lot at the way Daniel non-chalantly threatened to eat the stuffed friends. I will also choose to believe that Bree’s McCarthyist interview of Daniel, where she asks if he is a terrorist, was a shout out to the United Arab Emirates Actor’s Guild and to some of the fun we had during Yousefgate starting the rumor that he was fired because he was an Arab. Haha good thinking. I mean I was a ringleader of Yousefgate, but I had no clue where the hell that UAE Actor's Guild crap came from. Nothing about that added up nor made any sense. It's funny in retrospect that someone went so out of their way to make up all that stuff within hours of the story breaking. Besides that stuff though, Yousefgate was a very serious matter that deserved our taking to the barricades in the Parisian streets. Also, I agree with Milo, I want them to drop by the East Coast! I'd love to witness a filming! A change of scenery to Bree acting as tour guide sharing interesting facts about places she visits would be interesting. Like... not the whole video just her being a tour guide, but interspersing that into that wider story line. I personally have always wanted to see her drop by James Buchanan's grave and give us nutty facts about him. While this one was great, they do have to be careful about the motel scene getting stale. It just isn't the same, and rather unbelievable that they have yet to make a sting on Order headquarters or something (I'm sure Bree knows where it is). They should call Paul & Andrea back home and instruct them to try and sneak their way in and look for Bree's parents.. |
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Post by jayhenry on Nov 16, 2006 10:09:19 GMT -5
Well, since B&D aren't doing anything proactive, it seems like the Order will eventually seize them at the motel. It wouldn't be too hard for the Order to watch youtube (or revver -- they like to click on the ads, you know) and scout out motels in an expanding radius looking for daniel's car at a motel that has a pool. Of course they aren't going to see the Order just loitering around the parking lot. Actually, there's an idea, that's been present throughout all of the series, that YouTube is safe from adults. I don't think it's ever been made explicit, but I do think it's deliberate. I think it's never been made explicit because the Creators don't know exactly how to articulate or justify the idea. There was never a risk that her parents would see her complaining, never a risk that Lucy would see Daniel breaking into her apartment or spying on the ceremony, never a risk that someone from her religion would see her sneaking out to a party. YouTube is sort of like Neverland that way, a sanctuary from the rest of the world. A place where kids go to be safe. It's one of the show's most charming elements, and it would actually be a shame if the adults in the Breeniverse shattered the tranquility. |
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Post by Smashing on Nov 16, 2006 11:16:37 GMT -5
Interesting idea, jayhenry. If it's deliberate, it's not totally consistent. Bukanator is an adult. They also responded in comment form to gohepcat and other real life adults back when they actually interacted with viewers. The Neverland hypothesis does explain the in-show adults (parents/Lucy) not watching, and if that is what the creators are going for, I could see how they wouldn't know how to justify it, because it's just absurd, and they originally said their goal was to tell a realistic story. I had a theory at one point that these were all private/friends-only videos in the Breeniverse, but that doesn't explain why Gemma was able to watch them before she contacted Bree. It could be that the people in the Order/Bree's parents are known to not use YouTube, but there were a couple of stalking videos that Daniel made that I thought it didn't make sense for Bree to see, and Daniel knew she was watching....and the explanation they sort of gave for that was that Daniel just wasn't thinking...so yeah...whatever.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Nov 16, 2006 11:51:15 GMT -5
I think attempting to follow any kind of logical path at this point is beyond hopelessness ...I am just going with total suspension of disbelief and hoping they will tie up all the loose ends DTFR.
I didn't say this above, but the vid was charming and it's this facet that has kept me interested from the beginning. The creators (with no small help from Jess and Yousef) have always done this Breally well. When the Cast is given good material to work with they are quite engaging.
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Post by jayhenry on Nov 16, 2006 14:45:34 GMT -5
Interesting idea, jayhenry. If it's deliberate, it's not totally consistent. Bukanator is an adult. They also responded in comment form to gohepcat and other real life adults back when they actually interacted with viewers. No, no, no. Bukanator and gohepcat are adults in our universe. Not theirs. Do you see what I'm saying? YouTube is like Narnia for Bree. We're here, and Buka and Gohepcat and everyone else -- just like the adults and fawns and lion in Narnia -- but the adults of her world cannot enter. It's been this way ever since My Parents Suck... the idea that someone would show the video to her parents was never taken seriously by Bree. It's an impossibility in the Breeniverse. |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Nov 16, 2006 14:52:32 GMT -5
I love your attempts to make the illogical logical Jay. Breally!
Off to try and make a mental picture of a Bukanator, version 1.0 that is.
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Post by jayhenry on Nov 16, 2006 14:59:48 GMT -5
Not at all. Nothing "ret con" about this. Bree has never been concerned for a moment that any of the adults in her world would ever see a video. It's simply not an issue in the Breeniverse. It never has been.
We've had this discussion before. Without some form of this idea the series hasn't made a lick of sense since July 4th!! Seeing as it's now November 16th, it's time to accept the notion that the adults in her world don't watch YouTube.
There's nothing illogical about the show having this as a premise. Especially since this has clearly been there since the beginning.
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Post by lesbrent on Nov 16, 2006 16:06:38 GMT -5
so are they being followed or not?
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Post by johngreen on Nov 16, 2006 17:26:21 GMT -5
I think they're certainly being followed -- Bree and Daniel have never been adequately scared about this, and they still aren't, which is why Gemma had to come along.
And I agree with jay -- youtube is a safe place for (the character) Bree. That's one of the givens. They established the existence of the fourth wall a long time ago. I mean, when we watch 24, we aren't always going, "Oh, man, they're going to know what Jack's doing just as soon as they watch this episode!" Same thing here.
John
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Post by curiousgeorge on Nov 16, 2006 17:38:54 GMT -5
There's nothing illogical about the show having this as a premise. Especially since this has clearly been there since the beginning. Jay, I think you took my post as being sarcastic, imagine that. I meant I AGREED with you and meant to thank you for helping me keep this whole thing straight. Anyway, I think if the writer(s) took half the care to keep continuity and logic straight as we do, the perceived sarcasm would not be an issue. |
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Post by hookedonmonics on Nov 16, 2006 18:36:44 GMT -5
Yes, thanks Jay for the explaination of why bree's parent's/the order don't watch her videos. I've sort of always trusted that they don't, but didn't give much of a thought to why that was plausible to me.
So,my question now is: what about the man in the suit? Is gemma right, and he's an order member? If so, Bree is being far to aloof about this. Or, is Gemma speaking for the audience, and Bree is speaking for the Creators, saying- no, this was an accident. I can't decide.
BTW, John, i loved Katherine
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