I Listened To Daniel [10.24.06]

[Terryfic]

I decided to talk to Daniel at his friend's place.

on YouTube

on lonelygirl15.com

on Revver

YouTube tags: LG15 lonelygirl15 daniel danielbeast ceremony parents friend sad echinoderm home order

[morninglory]

interesting. daniel packing. Cute laugh for the first time in a while.

[flwright]

Hi All,

Now that's more like the Bree we know and love! I hope her parents come through and support her!

Good Night,

FLWright

PS I wonder if she's told them about YouTube, Lonelyworld, and Anchor Cove?

[milowent]

now the order of denderah is coming after them both!

[dannie717]

yay something cute! daniel and bree are so cute. ^^

[next12exits]

I LOVED this video. I got all giddy when Bree pointed the camera at Daniel and said "I missed you".

[m4me]

next12exits said:

I LOVED this video. I got all giddy when Bree pointed the camera at Daniel and said "I missed you".

ah i loved that too.
But i wonder if Daniel was packing to leave? I'd still be scared to leave. I'm thinking that Lucy might have followed her to Daniel's? Just an idea.

I can't type today.

[jayhenry]

maybe they're finally taking up my suggestion of running away to Mexico!!

I liked this video. It's good to see them back together. I wish they would have talked for longer.

Edit: Daniel's t-shirt says USP - Lewisburg on it. A high-security prison in Pennsylvania

[trash180]

This was cool to see them on screen together...in Daniel-vision too!
I'm glad they broke the tension a bit.

Bree makes a Breally funny face after the "I'll leave out the part where he broke into Lucy's apartment" bit.

[harlequin]

it was an ok video...a little bit to fast of a 180 by bree tho. i mean this is suposed to be something she belived in all her life, and now all of a sudden "its to dangerous"

i generaly dont belive that this was even beliveable, even for fiction.

[intrigued2]

Hurray! 'Looks like things are finally back on track! :-)

[Joss]

So far everyone seems very excited abut this video.. Well, I'm not.

I can't say I'm deceived because of the course the story had taken lately.. But anyway I'm sad.. Or pissed.. Or maybe I feel treated like a 5 year old.. I don't know!

Somehow I feel I've been pushed away far from LG15.. It's like watching those cartoons you loved when you were a kid expecting to have as much fun.. But instead you realize how stupid they are and how much you have changed over the years.. Then you remember your elders saying to you "I can't see what you like about them!" when you were a kid.. And you figure what you are feeling now is what they saw then.

So.. Let's get to the video.. Suddenly Bree wakes up being a stupid little girl with no brains of her own unable to think for herself.. Suddenly she realizes many things after talking to Daniel: She does not know anything about her religion or the ceremony, the shots, Lucy and everything else..

So basically what we have here is Daniel, a hero disguised as a fearful teenager with a cam in a secret mission to save a poor little fragile innocent pure 5-year-old girl in the body of a 20-year-old woman, Bree, from the works of a hidden mastermind of evil that (we are to believe) wants Bree blood-drained, chopped-death, feed to the beasts or who knows! Maybe even worst than that!

If that was not enough she rolls over Daniel's bed smiling at him like a baby.. I can see why Daniel got so serious at her when she said "I missed you!" for she just had drooled all over his things on the bed.. But let's get to the point: Bree is in love with Daniel but she still is not mature enough to understand what that means.

I feel responsible for her now.. Coming to think about it maybe I should introduce her to the existence and use of preservatives.. I'm sure she being so innocent and naive will not know of the inherent dangers of close contact between two young ones of different sex.

Ow.. By the way.. I thought Daniel couldn't go to Bree's place and neither she could go out and meet Daniel for her parents would not agree with it. Suddenly they just don't care anymore and she can come and go anytime and even go to see Daniel at his friend's place. Why in the world didn't she do this a long time ago?

I could keep going.. But I feel I should stop here. Maybe my pals at work added something to my breakfast and my state of mind is biased now.. But to me LG15 has flushed out all audience old enough to be critic about it and the creators have turned it into a sweet story for little kids in those ages when girls want to be a princess saved by a knight.. And boys want to be heroes that save humanity from harm.

Feel free to tell me what you think.. Maybe I'm the stupid here!

[Smashing]

I liked the different look of this video, the different lighting. I think the actors did well. I actually thought Bree seemed more grown up in this video, moving away from her blind faith, but the story does make her seem dumb for not realizing this stuff sooner. I like the idea that they could go on the run together. They didn't say they were doing that, but I hope they do. I'd like to see a cross country road trip with Bree and Daniel where she gets to explore the world a bit. Might not be in the budget to shoot on location, but they could fake it, driving around the LA area.

Paraphrasing: "I don't even know who the other people in Daniel's video were. Lucy doesn't have answers. I don't know what's going on. Daniel doesn't know what's going on. My parents don't know what's going on."
Translation: The creators don't know what's going on.

I get the feeling that the creators don't know any more about the story than what they've told us. The fact that this far along in the story they are still only using the terms "my religion" and "the ceremony" instead of actual names makes me think they don't have names. They said "Order of Denderah," but never explained exactly how that fit in (even though we all had our theories). Bree's original reason for not saying the religion was because people would judge it. But I think the real reason is because it's a fictional religion (albeit based on Thelema) and in the beginning they wanted us to think the characters were real. Now we know it's fiction, so they could tell us the name of the religion or the ceremony...if they had one. You'd think Bree would at least tell Daniel at this point if not before and that he would tell us. Geez.

Like others said, Bree and Daniel's indignance that the cult members (for lack of a better name) took his picture, doesn't make sense. OMG they took his PICTURE! That's right, actual PHOTOGRAPHS! But Daniel only saw one and it was of him hiding behind a tree when he was spying on them, so they weren't exactly following him. I know this has been discussed already, but they keep bringing it up as the justification for being "freaked out" and "scared." It's like, sure my dad gives me regular injections and neither one of us know what's in them, but I wasn't scared until I found out the cult possessed camera technology. Run!

Joss, the reason Bree didn't meet with Daniel earlier at a friend's house is because she didn't want to see Daniel. They fought about her religion and had a falling out. So it wasn't only the parents' decision.

[noasinger]

I feel they've gotten into a corner where they can't eat their cake and still have it.

Are Bree's parents intelligent, overly-strict, but still nice people who were overly sheltering their daughter and are practicioners of a religion we're NOT GOING TO CALL THELEMA, oh no, because it *isn't* Thelema, because.... well you know... except that we have Thelemic stars all over the website and we actually DID call Thelema on the front page before we changed that, and we DID use an image of the person who CREATED Thelema, and we even made allusions to the religion that the person who created Thelema was rebelling against. But. It's not Thelema, DON'T THINK IT's THELEMA because ... well... we realize now that yah, okay, I guess we did sort of try to .. wait, no we didn't. You shouldn't think this is a commentary on Thelema because we didn't ACTUALLY SAY THAT.

Because the parents are a little skeevy, maybe. Or they're not. Well, they're too strict, because cultists are stict. Or, wait, no, that's not what we meant, now that you mention it.

Anyway, it's not *their* religion that's the problem, it's the MYSTERIOUS LYING CULT that's the problem. But Bree's parents aren't part of it. They're nice people. Daniel even said so. Finally. Even though he spent most of the series being creeped out by them and thinking Bree's dad is a jerk who practices a religion which "creeps him out." But we can't blame Bree's dad; it's the MYSTERIOUS LYING CULT which has nothing to do with the Thelema we supposedly didn't mention, except that we totally did, except that you can't claim that we did, because we didn't. (Uhm, just ignore those Thelemic stars, please? Could you do us that favor?)

So it's the MYSTERIOUS LYING EVIL CULTISTS, who are apparently SO mysterious and lying that they managed to convince Bree's perfectly reasonable and uncreepy dad, who is a DOCTOR, HELLO, to administer daily shots and pills to his cherished protected daughter EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE or WHAT THEY ARE FOR, and they make her feel woozy and weird.

Because, you know, that's what most loving, educated, intelligent doctor parents who love free will are all about -- they just love administering mysterious unknown substances to their beloved children and turning them over to MYSTERIOUS LYING CULTS for Crowley knows what purpose.

Oh, what is this thing you want me to INJECT INTO MY TEENAGE DAUGHTER EVERY DAY? You can't tell me? Well, count me in!

yes, perfectly reasonable behavior.

Thelemites (oops, fictional religious practitioners unrelated to Thelema, despite etc etc) do that stuff all the time, but please don't think badly of minority religious practictioners because of that. This is, as you know, fiction. We're not lazily drawing on cultural misconceptions of minority religions to generate buzz or to hold your attention.



I'm sorry, folks, but you *really* have to squint hard not to see how badly this all hangs together now.

[milowent]

oh boy, noa. i may not be mentally up to this, but will try.

people take vitamins and supplements everyday not knowing what is in them. bree's dad may be a doctor, but being a doctor does not make him immune from having strong religious beliefs. more unreasonable actions have been taken for religion than anything else, even counting helen of troy. the core beliefs of scientology are so wacky its hard to understand how they are so successful.

And there are mysterious lying evil cults out there. heaven's gate. david koresh's compound. jonestown. Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas. And, maybe, this fictional order of denderah. maybe not. we really don't know yet. that fact that daniel went off the deep end simply based on a few pictures of him spying on them suggests its not evil.

maybe it would have been better if the Creators made up a cult instead of fictionalizing thelema, but that would still play off of cultural perceptions of minority religions. But there are real evil cults.

If lg15 goes with the real evil cult theme, i'm not not worried about it. It's just a horror flick then, not a social commentary on authentic minority relgisions. If lg15 goes with a twist where the religion is fairly normal, and daniel overreacted, well i'm not sure where the story goes from there.