Daniel, Be Careful... [10.17.06]

[Alissa Brooke]

quest: I meant that more for the people who were worried about the name on the computer and the little things that should just be overlooked, getting all upset about them and stuff, you know?

[trash180]

noasinger said:

:: shrugs :: It wasn't just one or two books; it was a very complicated, very big urban legend that ended up hurting a lot of innocent people when it morphed and fed into the nascent repressed-memories and nursery-school-ritual-child-abuse panic. I was already in high school and young adulthood when this was blowing up, and ten years ago is still recent. The whole mess still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I don't think I'm alone on that.

In my research I came across patients in Wickenburg that filed lawsuits claiming therepists planted false memories of Satanic Ritual abuse.

Larson v. Ells, et al., Superior Court of Maricopa County, State of Arizona, Case No. CV-95-00831. Complaint filed in January, 1995, alleges counselor and others planted false memories of childhood sexual abuse and satanic ritual during therapy. In December,1996, defendants Alfred Ells and House of Hope settled out-of-court under a confidential agreement. The suit is ongoing against defendant Remuda Ranch Center for Anorexia and Bulimia in Wickenburg, Arizona. See, Whiting, B., "Counselor hit with another suit: Woman claims therapist planted "false memories,'" The Arizona Republic, January 20, 1995, B-2, regarding two lawsuits against Scottsdale counselor, Alfred H. Ells and others accused of planting "false memories" of child sexual abuse and Satanism during therapy. See, also, S. v. House of Hope listed below. See, also, Snyder, J., "Therapist's certificate revoked in "demon' diagnosis," The Arizona Republic, April 7, 1996.

Another one that mentions Wickenburg…

Gina S., a 32-year old Illinois resident and former Samaritan
patient, said a Samaritan therapist routinely pinned her on the floor
with her knees and performed exorcisms in front of other patients.
S. went to Samaritan in 1990 after checking into a Wickenburg
clinic for treatment of anorexia and bulimia. S., who has since
filed a lawsuit, noted that her therapist told her that her dreams
were actual memories, diagnosed her as having Multiple Personality
Disorder and convinced her that her family had forced her to bear,
murder and devour babies in satanic ritual.

[drquest]

ahh see the samll stuff justs passes me by guess thats why I was never good at figuring out the clues in the first place. I was thinking about the the show as a whole the big picture. got ya it's clear now

[brianmpei]

I'm posting again so I can reach the magic threshold....
I don't care about the small stuff. A split personality would have been way cooler than where this is going, or seems to be going since they're making it up day by day.

[bigciafan]

brianmpei said:

I'm posting again so I can reach the magic threshold....
I don't care about the small stuff. A split personality would have been way cooler than where this is going, or seems to be going since they're making it up day by day.

unfortunatley for you its not your show.

the creators can do what they want to with it, its theirs, not yours.

sorry to sound mean but its true

[brianmpei]

Wow, it's NOT my show? Thanks for clearing that up.

The point of the forum is to talk about the show and our reactions, thoughts, speculation, etc.

The creators themselves have also suggested that IS in fact our show. Members of this forum have directly influenced elements of the LG15 story by their comments. While I'm not trying for that I am just sharing my disappointment with a community I've become a part of over the story that brought us here.

what IS the magic number of posts Alissa? I'm too old to be a newbie.

[Alissa Brooke]

I think the magical number is 50.

And the members of THIS forum do NOT influence the show. The members of the "PHORUM" influence the show. Take it up with them, ha ha ha.

Let's not have any catfights, though, I'm too stressed out to deal with them sanely.

[Joss]

I'm new around.. Didn't had time for presentations yet.. So I though I'd share with you some of my views meanwhile:

The Place
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Little bit messy.. Looks as she just got out of bed.. Or she having been locked inside all day long.. Teddy bear is on her way to the computer from the door, She jumped over it or walked around it? Either way we are not used to see this carelessness from Bree. Obviously she is not in a hurry since she had the time to fix her nails and then record the video and edit it. So she is either mad or sad or both.

A girl wearing pink/purple colors is no surprise, however there is a reason for the purple color associated with Crowley's shrine for purple is the color of great magic power, divinity and divine power (remember the Pope of Rome, bishops, etc..) so in a way it means not only respect but adoration of Crowley's figure.

But "3" candles (I mean the number 3) and the other objects around the candles.. The wooden box.. All that suggest something else: A magic altar where offerings are made in the form of burning candles or incense or other things used for those matters, which are kept in a wooden box for 2 reasons: To preserve them dry for ambient moisture and to conserve their magic attributes. In this case the purple runner would have a slightly different meaning that gives the story a twist for it would mean invocation of the magic power of the person who the shrine is dedicated to: Aleister Crowley.

And that makes sense since Aleister Crowley has probably been the biggest magic practicant of this century.

Now, that do implies that Bree is an active practicant too.. That would mean she is serious and actively involved in her "religion" and that she being called to participate in the ceremony was no coincidence neither was an spontaneous effort made to please her parents.. Rather she really meant to do it.

At this point I feel I have to clarify something: We immediately associate words like "magic, offering, altar,..." to something bad, destructive, ugly and so on. Just remember that, for instance, the catholic church also wears purple and invokes higher power in ceremonies (in a wedding "In the name of god I declare you husband and wife") and not necessarily means something bad.

But getting back to the point.. Magic nowadays is performed generally by rich people who "orders" a ceremony with a purpose like protecting businesses, their wealth, their power or to achieve higher success. So there is a point in Daniel being watched and taken pictures and Bree's "You do not who are you dealing with" thing.

Jesus! I write too much!

The Person:
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Bree to me looks depressed, lacked of motivation or will, she's not a shining star anymore.. She's faded, running out of batteries. I know you are going to laugh about this but if she were my girlfriend I would sit by her and talk to her 'til the end of time if necessary until I find out what is going on with her because seeing her like this would mean to me she is struggling with something way bad and she is making it worse by keeping it for herself.

The Situation:
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I'm sorry but it is not believable at this point that Bree cares for Daniel more that she cares for herself, let me put this on another perspective: She is more worried for how she may feel (Guilty, Responsible?) for what Daniel does or what may happen to him that for Daniel himself. And if you think about it thats the way it should be: Did Daniel confess being madly in love with her? Did she ask him to follow her? Did she deserved some more privacy and respect?

Said this I have to admit that I probably would have done just what Daniel did.. I really mean it: I have done something similar in the past.. (I was young and fool and all that..)

Gee.. Being a man is tough and risky sometimes!

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Every time Bree said, " I can't" or "you can't" the video would cut out? What's up with that?

It feels to me that she wanted to appear calmed and in control of herself and that she edited those parts where she got emotionally involved.. She tries to keep her cool but still some emotions get through.. You can tell when her voice sounds broken it feels like she could start crying any second.. And then she appears again controlling herself.. It feels forced.. It gives me the impression she is hurt beyond anyone's imagination.. Or that maybe she has enough with something else to deal with this in her soft tender way.

[curiousgeorge]

joss said:

I'm new around..
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I know you are going to laugh about this but if she were my girlfriend I would sit by her and talk to her 'til the end of time if necessary until I find out what is going on

Welcome Joss, well put. I hope that the next vid will see them interacting, even if it is just painful remembering of what they have lost in their "relationship". I feel this would be more compelling than anything we have seen to date and also the most difficult to portray as an actor.

Boy, our kids have come a long way from the early vids... I feel that WE have lost something with them in this time also.

[trash180]

There's a cute picture on jessica's myspace of her and yousef, and I realized it had been a long time since we've seen them that close together or even on the same screen for that matter.

Nice post Joss...welcome aboard.

...and where is Daniel?!?! Hiding out? He thinks Bree sold him out.
Either way I'm thinking we'll get a video from one of them saying they couldn't reach the other. Maybe a plea to meet somewhere...then maybe someone else is there too? I'm glad Daniel is keeping his camera on him all the time now. ha.

How long before we can assume the order is watching these videos as well? Lucy knows her way around a computer. How long before they infiltrate the messageboards?

[brianmpei]

admin said:

I think the magical number is 50.

And the members of THIS forum do NOT influence the show.

Alissa, don't underestimate what you've created here. They read it, they always have.

[curiousgeorge]

trash180 said:

How long before we can assume the order is watching these videos as well? Lucy knows her way around a computer. How long before they infiltrate the messageboards?

I assume Alissa has a username reserved for Lucy. I think that they Creative Team could take a cue from our android friend and post in character(s). I think we are cool enough group that we would all play along. (I ask for the zillionth time...)

[noasinger]

Meh. It would be awesome if Mesh showed up, I suppose.

[Joss]

Hey trash180 you got it right!


"...and where is Daniel?!?! Hiding out? He thinks Bree sold him out.
Either way I'm thinking we'll get a video from one of them saying they couldn't reach the other."

I guess we will find out pretty soon about this: "Maybe a plea to meet somewhere...then maybe someone else is there too? I'm glad Daniel is keeping his camera on him all the time now. ha."

[trash180]

joss said:

Hey trash180 you got it right!

"...and where is Daniel?!?! Hiding out? He thinks Bree sold him out.
Either way I'm thinking we'll get a video from one of them saying they couldn't reach the other."<snip>

Thanks Joss, I was trying to be Joe Cool about the "I'm hiding out" title, and chalk it up to a lucky guess or all those star charts I read last week.

Of course I'd love it if it meant this was true…

brianmpei said:

admin said:

<snip>
And the members of THIS forum do NOT influence the show.

Alissa, don't underestimate what you've created here. They read it, they always have.

Perhaps a shout out to the Cove?
Wishful thinking? ha..

Edit:
I realize now I made a similar comment on the video at lg15.com. So if they took a cue it was probably from there. Nevermind! xo