The Equinox [9.22.06]

[noasinger]

[jamfind]

Helpful and interesting view of her desk.

I reviewed “The Equinox,” however, I couldn’t notice if Bree’s fingernails were polished. Perhaps her feet need to be their spiffiest for this event, and the nailpolish is for those lovely BARE FEET.

And I’m sure others have mentioned that “So mote it be” is a typical answer/refrain from congregations in many of their ceremonies.
see:oto-usa.org/l15.html

The DEACON brings the crown from the High Altar. (The crown may be of gold or platinum, or of electrum magicum; but with no other metals, save the small proportions necessary to a proper alloy. It may be adorned with divers jewels, at will But it must have the Uræus serpent twined about it, and the cap of maintenance must match the scarlet of the Robe. Its texture should be velvet.)
Be the Serpent thy crown, O thou PRIEST of the LORD!
Kneeling, she takes the Lance, between her open hands, and runs them up and down upon the shaft eleven times, very gently.
Be the LORD present among us!
All give the Hailing Sign.
The PEOPLE: So mote it be.

I swear, I’m trying. I always feel that my two cents is worth about a half penny.

[curiousgeorge]

jamfind said:

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Kneeling, she takes the Lance, between her open hands, and runs them up and down upon the shaft eleven times, very gently.

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The PEOPLE: So mote it be.

I just could not let that part above get lost

[Tempestarii]

Wel....Thelemic is symbolic of sex magick. The reason why Gardner demanded only young, attractive HP's to play the Goddess in the Great Rite.

Fantastic find Noa! My first thoughts were how that end of spell term is only used by Wiccans or modern OTO. Trad. OTO use "My Will be done" or "So Will it be", Will being the defining term and state of mind in the Thelema.
So mote it be is a very very modern way of ending spells and not rituals. Only branches/offshoots would use that term. Basically that is the final words on spellcasting and if one wishes to include the most stereotypical phrase which explains all of the Thelema it is either:

"Do what thou wilt"
"Love is the Law"

A really perplexing mix of neopaganism they threw in. As mentioned that term is used on ending energy work.

Edited to add: Regarding your comment on a Wiccan course, I shall desperately try not to get into a rant on modern Wicca (aka wiccakewlz) but your situation is just another reason why courses are ridiculous and terrible for traditional systems. We can all learn from essays on energy work but to rely on very modern authors instead of translating traditional works....it does all of witchcraft wrong and I am not even a fan of Wicca as a religion. I understand how infuriating it is for open-minded people to find the practices but please do not see online work and Starhawk, RavenWolf, Gardner, or Cunningham as knowing the slighest idea of traditional ways. Their desperation to make up for a lack of history means they fake sources.
I am in NO way saying you went through that route but on behalf of hopefully intelligent occultists I wish to say when it comes to witchcraft please ignore American covens, all websites pertaining to folk traditions based on Keltoi systems and modern books.
I am utterly in love with the faith practiced by my family though it is a rather strict way. Us females are expected to do some festivals for example, (my father broke into the Thelema, and 3 members have now chosen Christianity in a devout form), I would be more than happy to natter away on traditional British or Keltoi beliefs.

[syncomm]

tempestarii said:

So mote it be is a very very modern way of ending spells and not rituals. Only branches/offshoots would use that term.

"So mote it be" is also the traditional closing of all prayers in a Masonic lodge. The practice among Freemasons can be traced back (through historical documentation) as far as 1717, although some place the tradition's origin much earlier (tho there is less evidence to that affect outside of the Regius Poem from circa 1390)

syncomm

[Tempestarii]

I am not familiar with Freemasonry, my grandfather is a member here but has no idea on its roots. I eagerly questioned him one time and all he knew is his branch offered money to charity. Don't they base themselves on the Solomon temple? Also used by the G.D? Black pillar, white pillar, stele, surrounded by initiates entering from one compass point?
All I know about Masons is you have your chest bared in initiation to prove you do not have breasts, lol.

[syncomm]

tempestarii said:

I am not familiar with Freemasonry, my grandfather is a member here but has no idea on its roots. I eagerly questioned him one time and all he knew is his branch offered money to charity. Don't they base themselves on the Solomon temple? Also used by the G.D? Black pillar, white pillar, stele, surrounded by initiates entering from one compass point?
All I know about Masons is you have your chest bared in initiation to prove you do not have breasts, lol.

Lol, I have been a Freemason for many years. In that time I've served in a number of offices, and recently held the position of Lodge Education Officer. There are plenty of misconceptions out there, the Internet is rife with them. The core of Freemasonry is based on the Hiramic legend which centers on the building of King Solomon's Temple. It is used as an allusion to becoming a better person. Today however, they do primarily function as a charitable institution.

The Golden Dawn, and the early O.T.O., as well as many "splinter" occult organizations in the nineteenth century often modeled themselves in some way after Freemasonry (as well as a lot of college fraternities.) I could go on forever with details, but it is probably a bit off topic for this thread. (Pretty sure the baring of the chest is not to prove you don't have breasts tho! ;-)) PM me if you want to know more, the only "secrets" are the various modes of recognition. Also check out the book "Born in Blood" by John Robinson -- it was written by an author in my area and has a lot of throughly researched information.

Cheers,

syncomm

[Tempestarii]

"(Pretty sure the baring of the chest is not to prove you don't have breasts tho! ;-))"

Curse my grandfather! He used that as an excuse why I could not join after offering to sponsor my brother. Morgan then went onto say he would love to take over and my grandfather very quickly retracted the offer, saying he would be held accountable for bad behaviour. Meanwhile I was bouncing around saying it was ridiculous to deny me and I did not want the local ladies luncheon group.
I'll kill that old git, hehe.

[dasllama]

noasinger said:

Perhaps what you really need is.... SLACK!

LOVE ! BOB !
PRRAISSE ! BOB !
KIIIIILLLLLLLL ! BOB !


www.subgenius.com/

Illama

[noasinger]

[BaileysMom]

I just watched this episode again and the comment that really stuck out to me was when Bree refers to her father conducting (doing, running - not sure about the correct verb to use when speaking about bibliomancy) the bibliomancy:

Oh, my Dad is doing the bibliomancy...but he always does it though.

Does the fact that her father "always" does the bibliomancy have any significance? Does it indicate that he is some sort of elder/deacon/authority in the church?

[mku77]

This sounds like the ritual belonging to the rosicrucian tradition.
A bit of a bold statement but it ties in with someones deductions fom the other board,
Sorry but it has got to be said ,Iwould be grateful for an analysise of this
yersell
M.

[Tempestarii]

Rosicrucian is Christian in belief isn't it? Gnostic Christian. I have met one person through work who claimed to be linked and they put across a very very personal sect that would not have family camps or even display Crowley as an idol. Aye Crowley has inspired a large amount of occultists so we can all find tenuous links to him (even through rock music) but Rosicrucian? No, I bet my life against that unless the creators write it in within the next few months to appear 'creepy' as they put it.

[jayhenry]

But where does Crowley fit in? The ties are tenuous at best, not consistent with having a pseudo-shrine to the guy. More evidence, in my mind, that we're looking at a fictionalized religion that just borrows here-and-there from various non-mainstream religious traditions.

From that ARCE web site you can also get led to Brigham Young University, therefore Bree is Mormon; the Egyptian Coptic Church, therefore Bree is, uh, Copt; or General Motors - Egypt, therefore Bree is an unusual, but very, very pretty Chevy Pickup truck.

And nevermind that the letters are ARCK. The Enochian K and the Enochian E look absolutely nothing alike.

I mean, hell, let's change the K to an H for no reason. Then we have Arch, most famous being the St. Louis Arch, a city named after St. Louis of Toulouse. Toulouse, France! Bree is French! Bree is a French pickup truck!

Oh it was all so obvious.

[mku77]

The point is that the "Rosis" have a very similar structure to a supposed old religion and ancient language.... they use echonian

www.levity.com/alchemy/e-chess.html

Temp, Major respect, they are "Christian" in GB,Agreed,
www.amorc.org.uk/

but in US They are viewed slightly differently
religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/amorc.html