mettle
Anchor Cove Citizen of Note
Obey Bree!
Posts: 100
|
Post by mettle on Sept 5, 2006 1:12:58 GMT -5
As with the loc thread, I thought I'd try to summarize what we know so far on who is behing the whole thing. - All people working at YouTube have gone on record and denied knowledge of LG15
- HOWEVER, the viewers list stopped on 1337 on the swimming vid at one point, which is too much of a coincidence. This suggests an insider at yTube or a hacker who know how to set view counts.
- There are references to Satanism and things that some networks would not want to be involved in
- There is also swearing in some of the videos.
- An attorney named Ken Goodfried from Encino registered the LG15 TM, though he did so pretty late in the game.
- It's hard to imagine a major corp would have registered a YouTube account, a MySpace account, and Y address without registering the TM.
- Seems like it was a reaction to CafePress items showing up based on the dates and a suggestion someone set to Daniel/Bree via message.
- The penalty for a false registration is high so it's unlikely to be an opportunist.
- There could be a connection btw KG's daughter Lisa and Bree through a camp/group called Storytellers.
- There are possible connections to:
- a movie named Danielle (alt. title Beast) though The director, Brian Flemming ruled out involvement.
- Religious prostelytizing (Thelema, Scientology)
- MySpace
- something else (TV show, movie) coming out 10/12/06
alright, my brain hurts... someone else pick this up and run with it. EDIT: Brian Flemming denied involvement.
|
|
|
Post by Alissa Brooke on Sept 5, 2006 1:15:15 GMT -5
Aaah, Mettle: Brian Flemming denied involvement, didn't he?
|
|
|
Post by Terryfic on Sept 5, 2006 1:18:45 GMT -5
I think the connection to Danielle can be thrown out due to Brian’s repeated denial that he is involved. www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/I think something else that hurts the idea that this is a promo for a network is that there is swearing in it (fuck once, maybe twice and ‘ass hole’ is written by Bree in one of her comments when describing a spammer).
|
|
mettle
Anchor Cove Citizen of Note
Obey Bree!
Posts: 100
|
Post by mettle on Sept 5, 2006 1:26:19 GMT -5
thanks terry and alissa ... it's hard to remember it all. that's why we need each other. original post editted to reflect these points.
|
|
dd
Anchor Cove Resident
Posts: 27
|
Post by dd on Sept 5, 2006 7:47:19 GMT -5
Did you say CafePress?!? I can't believe this company is not involved: www.sequoiacap.com/CafePress and all the other possible major corp players have been funded by this venture capital company. Jessica agreed with somebody who listed this in their answers to her four questions. I think Jessica was either a mole, involved in the fringes, or very insightful. I like the direction of this thread: FACTS. Things that can be traced in the mainstream public domain. Speaking of which, is John Green still playing? -dd
|
|
|
Post by Alissa Brooke on Sept 5, 2006 7:56:25 GMT -5
As far as I know, dd, JG is here. He was one of the first to make the move with me, and pretty much my inspiration to make this board.
|
|
|
Post by johngreen on Sept 5, 2006 8:54:12 GMT -5
John Green is still playing. The only thing I'd add here about Goodfried is that his "no comment" to Virginia strikes me as a little weird. Actually, Goodfried generally strikes me as a little weird: 1. He not really a trademark lawyer. 2. He is not with a big firm. 3. He is not an entertainment lawyer _at all_. 4. He didn't deny anything, which I would think any 60-year-old lawyer would. If you asked, for instance, my 60-year-old uncle the lawyer if he was representing lg15, my uncle would say, "Who the hell is lg15 and why is the new york times calling me?" So I agree that he does know the creators of lg15, which lends A LOT of credence to the notion that they're a small cadre of young people who haven't been outed yet primarily because Bree and Daniel are not as famous as we think they are. Speaking of which, we should get that reporter from the LA Times to publish photographs of them in the LA Times. That would really increase our chances, no? -John www.sparksflyup.com
|
|
ka
Cove Jr. Detective
Posts: 46
|
Post by ka on Sept 5, 2006 9:38:37 GMT -5
[/li][li]Religious prostelytizing (Thelema, Scientology) [/quote] I have not yet been able to discount that it might be christian proselytising: - Even taken with a pinch of salt, the myspace circle of characters drop biblical and christian references all over the place
- The occult references (even the number fifteen) have no depth beyond what could be gleaned from wikipedia or other web sources
- The plot arc so far could easily be extended into a 'soft sell' version of the hell house phenomenon: ie. even well mannered, well meaning, cute, and intelligent young people from equally well meaning and respectable homes, can come a cropper if diverging from the 'one true path'
- While the Sequoia Capital connection remains interesting, there is nothing about the structure of the videos themselves or anything surrounding them that couldn't have been accomplished by a small band of motivated individuals
- As has already been pointed out the trademark has been filed fairly late in the day, which suggests someone improvising as things happen around them
I have to add to this that I am a little disturbed by her vague references to "Nottinghamshire". I decided not to comment about this on the other board, where someone had already picked up on a web reference to this county. Pretty much the only thing "Nottinghamshire" is famous for is a series of terrible injustices in the '80s, that followed false claims of discovering ritual satanic abuse amongst families in the area. The news that it was entirely the result of hysteria and misinformation may not have reached certain people yet... For me, there are three theories: - Christian evangelising
- Commercial promotion
- Personal promotion
A fourth theory that this is the prologue to an ARG, is interesting, but I can find nothing as yet to support it.
|
|
dd
Anchor Cove Resident
Posts: 27
|
Post by dd on Sept 5, 2006 9:44:02 GMT -5
Yeah, that'd be good. Could a major paper do that without somekind of permission, especially (uugh, dare I say it)...if they're really under 18? (besides all the other reasons to believe they're older...I have this one: Bree wears a one piece swimsuit to cover the physical facts of age beyond 16, and maybe some non-Bree things like tatoos, etc.) But, ya see, that's where I think the papers will be limited. To dedicate that much newspaper real estate seems prohibitive. But, who am I to type? I'm gonna leave that request to put B&D's photos in the papers up to you John, or to VH directly. Since we KNOW she's hooked! Do the papers dare get sucked in that deep? We'll see...
-dd
|
|
mettle
Anchor Cove Citizen of Note
Obey Bree!
Posts: 100
|
Post by mettle on Sept 5, 2006 11:16:13 GMT -5
Personal promotion seems most likely at this point. Given all that we've seen, it's hard to imagine anything else. I do wish it was a little more consprised than that. - Christian evangelising
- Commercial promotion
- Personal promotion
A fourth theory that this is the prologue to an ARG, is interesting, but I can find nothing as yet to support it.
|
|
mettle
Anchor Cove Citizen of Note
Obey Bree!
Posts: 100
|
Post by mettle on Sept 5, 2006 11:18:21 GMT -5
Sequioa capital is one of those NWO-like companies that have their hands in everything. I see no evidence of anything commercial, however. The Cafe Press thing was super-small time and will likely be shut down now that an Encino attorney has the TM. Kenny G (haha!!!) is the thing that really makes me think this whole thing is small. Did you say CafePress?!? I can't believe this company is not involved: www.sequoiacap.com/CafePress and all the other possible major corp players have been funded by this venture capital company. Jessica agreed with somebody who listed this in their answers to her four questions. I think Jessica was either a mole, involved in the fringes, or very insightful. I like the direction of this thread: FACTS. Things that can be traced in the mainstream public domain. Speaking of which, is John Green still playing? -dd
|
|
|
Post by jayhenry on Sept 5, 2006 12:13:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that'd be good. Could a major paper do that without somekind of permission, especially (uugh, dare I say it)...if they're really under 18? -dd Papers ask for permission as a courtesy, but they're under no legal obligation to. Especially now that LG is a very, very public figure.
|
|
|
Post by hyemew on Sept 5, 2006 13:43:25 GMT -5
Papers ask for permission as a courtesy, but they're under no legal obligation to. Especially now that LG is a very, very public figure. I wouldn't overestimate her fame though. I've yet to hear a real world reference to lonelygirl (a friend mention her, hear people talking about her, any sort of reference off the internet). I think it still its not that well known outside the world of blogs and youtube.
|
|
|
Post by johngreen on Sept 5, 2006 13:56:55 GMT -5
Right. Every time I think, "Why hasn't someone who attended high school with her or saw her in Starbucks last week come forward and said, 'I think this girl's name is such-and-such,'" I remember that even her most famous videos only have 800,000 views. (And a lot of those are people who watch the videos repeatedly, looking for clues.
That means there are 299,000,000 Americans who have never seen a picture of lonelygirl15.
-John
|
|
|
Post by jayhenry on Sept 5, 2006 13:59:52 GMT -5
As far as a newspaper is concerned she's public enough. Trust me. I'm very familiar with these rules, and Lonelygirl is note even a close call.
|
|