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Post by hyemew on Jun 19, 2007 12:06:01 GMT -5
The Thor was great (was in September). The poem was not done by the creators but by Bree (as it was early August), and that's before Anchor Cove existed. I'm not talking about that kind of stuff really, I'm talking about the latter- not even that they have to embrace our ideas but at least toy with them or enter a discussion with us about the problems even once. They don't talk too much with the phorumites either, but they do on occassion and seem to have connected with certain ones of them (that whole birthday wish thing, the meeping, etc.), but alas we have no such connections despite being around far longer and a lot more intelligent discussion than ever goes on at el forum.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jun 19, 2007 12:53:51 GMT -5
we are an independent and, especially now, fairly small group. just last week, greg thanked jayhenry in bunch of a large conference in canada. greg has also thanked you before on mixed media. and mesh mentioned anchor cove on the 1st mixed media show. the creators have always us to provide links to anchor cove in post or sigs at the phorum from its inception. maybe there is more we can expect, but i'm not sure really what that would be. Back from hiatus. Sorry I missed the Lord of the Phlys nightmare Hye, I picked a bad time to sell me casa. As for your comments Milo, I think that they have been somewhat tolerant of our "existence", but I am sure at this point they would rather us go away. As for their following up on any of our suggestions, I have not seen one shred of evidence to support this. Expanding on something Jay first posted, I think that the current phans are so far removed from the "old days" that they may not conceptually understand why we don't like the direction the production has taken and hence bullshit happens like the recent events. Yes, they probably have watched the same vids we did, but I doubt that the (real -time) frame-of-reference is the same. Perhaps we are anachronisms... a vestige of an early experiment in YT's history gone (IMHO) wrong. Methinks that indeed Jay may have taken the best path, with the LGPedia he can continue to be a fan but is prohibited (the way I understand it) from expressing an opinion and is hence "free" to enjoy the ride from his journalistic (and impartial) perch. Smart move on his part! I will continue to throw, uhm, bombs from my perch as it seems that is my part to play  . Anyhooo, I like Taylor much more than her sister and am glad to see that the overtly sexual themes seem to have momentarily abated. Not for long I suspect. |
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Post by milowent on Jun 19, 2007 13:16:21 GMT -5
As for your comments Milo, I think that they have been somewhat tolerant of our "existence" but I am sure at this point they would rather us go away. we may or we may not. but i always believed having an independent fan forum was an awesome idea. whether the show can actually support it is another question. its hard to tell because the execution may be incomplete. for example, you championed the cause of the "who sees what" dilemma, and they acknowledged the problem and responded. but not the way we might have. we complained (as did the phorum) when bree became too obsessed with her stuffies. p.monkey went on hiatus. there just too many holes in the dike, i guess. great point. edison had to try many substances before he found tungsten worked best. i enjoy occassionally posting things in the lgpedia like "and she [insert actress here] is hawtt." and watch them get deleted as "opinion." puhleeze. they still had the cheerleader thing. at least your post TRIED to say something on topic. ummm... pom poms are hot? |
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Post by VanillaFlava on Jun 19, 2007 14:42:40 GMT -5
what do you expect them to do, hye? post love poems to you here? Hah, nice post, that cracked me up Milo. Thanks  And really, what do you expect from them? Why would it change anything if only they just mentioned the Cove or individual people? They're barely on the radar after last year's hoopla, and this year's non-follow-up. In all honesty, most communication from the c's to or about their audience strikes me as incredibly condescending and artificial. Really, I think they are laughing at their audience most of the time. I mean really, the meeping and the other little rituals, that's not even cute. It's just a 'thing' that they picked up on. Really listen to the thankfully sparse Mixed Media's. I had to cringe a lot listening to them they way they talked about their fans. They know they need a loyal fanbase and they seem to go through all the motions, but I can't see their heart being in it. It kinda becomes a viscious circle, because in reality they thought they'd be in a all shiner place by now. But they aren't, so they have to work with what they got, and I suspect they ain't exactly loving it. The truth is they need us more than we need them. However, I never expected any special love or fame hand-downs from them. The only thing I expect them to do is to entertain and stimulate me with their creation. We all know they ain't doing that, and haven't for a long time. We're still here because of sickly-sweet nostalgia and the cool group of people we have gathered here. I just wished Terry had stuck around a little longer and we could have moved on to something more exciting than picking through last year's left-overs. |
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Post by hyemew on Jun 19, 2007 14:53:11 GMT -5
In all honesty, most communication from the c's to or about their audience strikes me as incredibly condescending and artificial. Really, I think they are laughing at their audience most of the time. I mean really, the meeping and the other little rituals, that's not even cute. It's just a 'thing' that they picked up on. Really listen to the thankfully sparse Mixed Media's. I had to cringe a lot listening to them they way they talked about their fans. They know they need a loyal fanbase and they seem to go through all the motions, but I can't see their heart being in it. It kinda becomes a viscious circle, because in reality they thought they'd be in a all shiner place by now. But they aren't, so they have to work with what they got, and I suspect they ain't exactly loving it. Great job articulating that! Now that you say it I know exactly what you mean and have perceived these same exact things. The phorumites are hardly "their type", but they go through the motions since they need to maintain some sort of active following so they can point to it as a sign of success- like the time 300k of them came to their chat that one night... or did they? The truth is they need us more than we need them. However, I never expected any special love or fame hand-downs from them. The only thing I expect them to do is to entertain and stimulate me with their creation. I never expected hand-downs from them, just a little dignity and respect. If the plot and production wasn't in trouble, I wouldn't have expected that either. However they've obviously been in one jam after another, with problem after problem, and I feel the Cove has worked as a think tank to figure out ways out of there and ideas on what they could do. Remember all Terry's great ideas for one when it came to server issues and website advice? This is not to mention all our pointing out of serious problems and where they went wrong and possible ways to fix it (it's too late for that now though.) For all we have done, we really haven't even gotten one singular discussion with the Creators about any of it. For all the phorum has done, which is mainly cause drama and freak out at every turn, they do get some of that. I think though we are smaller (not that much smaller these days though!) we could have been a million times more beneficial to the Creators if they ever listened to us and engaged us in the process. The only ones they do engage, though half-heartedly at best, are the phorumites and I think the intellectual capital they've been able to provide in comparison is many times less. |
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Post by VanillaFlava on Jun 19, 2007 15:25:33 GMT -5
For all we have done, we really haven't even gotten one singular discussion with the Creators about any of it. Thanks Hye, I understand far better now where you are actually coming from. But really, that says so much more about them than it says about us. Yes, we have been an incredible accumulator and, at least in the earlier stages, incubator of really cool talent and ideas. For me, it all comes down to hubris. The c's apparently think they are so far ahead of the curve. They either didn't want to create a situation where they became dependant on or at least needed to honesly acknowledge outside ideas. Sadly, they got lost in their own backyard in the meantime. Sure, there are the usual hardships and mishaps of a small indie outfit, but instead of owning that, earning serious sympathy and respect in turn, they just followed up with more hyperbole. I also think it would have been incredibly cool to be more interactively involved in the creation of this kind of media. However, sadly, they're not the kind of people to actually nourish that. Instead of really occupying the space that they have carved out for themselves and sincerely developing it, they really would rather be somewhere else. It began as an inspired media and PR experiment, but simply failed to become the stepping stone they were truly hoping for. |
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Post by lesbrent on Jun 19, 2007 16:22:16 GMT -5
great last post Vanilla. I feel like I personally helped them out (paypal button amongst other ideas) and never once got any recognition. Then of course we "knew" some of the actors and other behind the scene connections that perhaps made us feel like we had more of an "inside". They all chose to distance themselves. I learned that people aren't as nice as they publically want to be which really kinda soured the whole "experiment" for me. Plus of course, the downward spirialling plot and introduction of certain new characters. Blech. I'm not avid watcher. I cruise by here when I'm bored. SOmetimes I watch three or four episodes to get caught up. Sometimes I will skip watching them if the reviews here don't seem good.
Overall, people's head exploded with the 15 minutes of fame and great opportunities were lost forever, IMO. Those opportunities included making this whole thing for a more intelligent and older audience too.
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Post by Alissa Brooke on Jun 19, 2007 17:38:45 GMT -5
I'm rather offended by Greg's milo-flattering, as the Creators have basically only ever ignored the Cove. I know they come here and read- not sure how much- but they certainly never make it clear to us that they actually do or ever discuss some of our many many numerous suggestions. Miles personally has a complete dislike for the Cove and just thinks were a bunch of disillusioned former fans who like to get together and bash their work. We don't get no respect. *waves hand dismissively* Well, it's their fault we even exist in the first place. Trickery and all that. |
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Post by oweniscool on Jun 19, 2007 21:25:55 GMT -5
i enjoy occassionally posting things in the lgpedia like "and she [insert actress here] is hawtt." and watch them get deleted as "opinion." puhleeze. ohhhhh, it was YOU, wasn't it? mucking up my (erm, the community's) pretty wiki! I'm gonna go write "milo is a loaf of moldy bread." that'll show you. |
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Post by robtomorrow on Jun 19, 2007 23:08:17 GMT -5
This thread seems have become a lament.
I joined the Cove way back when, but have only started posting here recently, so I can not claim to be one of those not being listened to here.
Miles Mesh and Goodfried thought they had hit on something entirely new, "interactive storytelling", and they thought they had a formula for it's actualization. I say that in the past tense but I think they still believe it.
They believe them selfs to be Pioneers.
In our opinion it might be an experiment that has gone horribly wrong, but to them it's a masterpiece.
They have a cacophony of voices out there telling them that they should do this or that. I'm sure they think they know best.
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Post by milowent on Jun 19, 2007 23:22:00 GMT -5
I'm sure they think they know best. and so does hye. :-) |
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Post by slainte on Jun 20, 2007 7:10:39 GMT -5
I really feel bad about alll this.
I mean just the other day Miles came over to my house and we had some awesome Starbucks and then we took off on Mesh's boat, chowed on some excellent brunch (you must try the Carrot Cake!!!!)
We slept that off, picked up some babes and got crazy all afternoon.
Around dinner time we headed home because Greg's granma made us meatloaf (Love Meatloaf) and mashed potatos.
After that we talked long into the evening about art, philosophy, life, love, music and of course we tried to figure out if Joan really is gay or if it's just his character. Finally, we reflected on how so very far we have come and we moonshined about the future of LG andwondered just how many people really - REALLY - understand what they are trying to do for the world with this story.
Man what fun. Really
They told me they did that ith al you guys.
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