west
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Post by west on Sept 12, 2006 18:59:46 GMT -5
I don't see any mention of tmz.com, only:
"Matt's break came when he was following up on a posting about a discontinued MySpace page that might be linked to LonelyGirl15."
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Post by west on Sept 12, 2006 19:03:14 GMT -5
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Post by scdgoofy on Sept 12, 2006 19:03:53 GMT -5
So the "dentist" creator of "LG15.com" is 18 year old Matt Foremski. Seems like like he publicized the finding, but in my mind he would have been nowhere without the TMZ comment #31. At least Matt had the integrity to credit the TMZ quote. Kudos to him. www.pbs.org/mediashift/
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Post by ennovi on Sept 12, 2006 19:05:36 GMT -5
Ok.. the pbs article credits tmz. But silicon watcher does not. Misleading? I think so.
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Post by lesbrent on Sept 12, 2006 19:09:22 GMT -5
I hope that the old lonelygirl15.com forum comes back. I swear that someone had put up "Is this LG15" with the same myspace profile on there that ultimately found her out. When I looked at it, it was set to private and their was a picture of a puppy and I kinda ignored it. I did remember that there was "Puppy" as one of the keywords on one of the LG's videos but then just dismissed it. I never thought to look in Google Cached.
Anway, I think this Matt's kid was reading the boards and saw that link, and then he cached it and dug deeper and found it.
So I really hope the old forum comes back with messages and all, because it was NOT this kid who found it in the first place.
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Post by VanillaFlava on Sept 12, 2006 19:11:56 GMT -5
This looks a little sad to me. More 15 minutes of fame and self-aggrandisement. The scoop is the MySpace profile and the TMZ post. Not 10 minutes on Google. Several people did that almost at the same time.
The dentist bit was that agdf guy, who also read the TMZ page and found the Jessica Rose New Zealand connection (from the profile), but in his blurring frenzy forgot to blur the search line. He just wanted to promote and get some traffic to his vanity site. Which he admitted after I called him on it.
Either way, after that it was really easy, and slacker came up with the Photo Bucket link. I can't find the link to that thread anymore, but he was really obnoxious and little better than the lamers who now plaster YouTube with their EXTRA EXTRA spam.
So, I am confused now. Dentist dude is Fromski's kid?
I think my teeth hurt.
Isn't it funny no matter how small the fame cake actually is, that all of a sudden everybody wants to cut off a slice? Pathetic. I am actually really impressed at the community here and how we have handled things so far.
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Post by west on Sept 12, 2006 19:30:23 GMT -5
It doesn't look like there ever was a dentist, just Fromski's kid.
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Post by west on Sept 12, 2006 19:48:21 GMT -5
Isn't it funny no matter how small the fame cake actually is, that all of a sudden everybody wants to cut off a slice? Pathetic. Bears repeating. Even again: Isn't it funny no matter how small the fame cake actually is, that all of a sudden everybody wants to cut off a slice? Pathetic.
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Post by ennovi on Sept 12, 2006 20:56:54 GMT -5
Well. I am not going to be fighting for any credit in this. It just makes me upset when people take credit that does not belong to them. The person who discovered her is the tmz poster. End of story.
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Post by scdgoofy on Sept 12, 2006 21:59:26 GMT -5
Ennovi, I'm with you on that one. That's the guy I want to hear from.
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Post by mettle on Sept 13, 2006 0:01:52 GMT -5
I know this might go against the forums natural inclination, but I think trying to assign credit to one person is like saying "teh internets" was created by one person, or flight, or decoding the human genome or any other modern invention. This whole thing has been an enormous collaborative effort. If we didn't hunt down a lot of info (TM registrerer, for example) it wouldn't have made the papers, and if it didn't make the papers, TMZ wouldn't have picked it up and if it wasn't on TMZ, that guy wouldn't have recognized her. And on and on. There are so many links in this chain with many of the key findings starting here from our very own: HyeMew, Alissa, StandfordTree (anyone remember him?) even Virginia, to name a small small fraction. With our newly found capacity for communication beyond our wildest dreams, the days of the lone inventor, or lone investigator are over. I know it's sort of un-romantic, , but there's also a sort of Romanticism to the idea of collaborative satisfaction for a collaborative effort. We'll certainly cling to the notion of the singular person responsible (Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes, and so on), but as any of those scientists and journalists will tell you, seeing further on account of being on the backs of others is truer today than ever. We should all be "proud" of our contribution.
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Post by west on Sept 13, 2006 0:12:48 GMT -5
I agree, but the unsung hero seems to be this curious fellow from the tmz.com comment section.
I just don't like this "dentist" taking all the credit.
Many other people searched the google cache at the same time, but not everyone pretended to be a dentist, cyber-squated on lg15.com, and had a dad who was a journalist to get the word out.
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Post by privycoyote on Sept 13, 2006 1:30:59 GMT -5
<< I think trying to assign credit to one person is like saying "teh internets" was created by one person >> Oh, so sweet..the credit goes to Al Gore! lol Anyways, while I do think this was a huge collaborative effort, think about the fact that those pictures were essentially there to be found from the beginning had someone simply thought of it. But it almost feels as though the pictures of Jessica Rose came precisely when they needed to, being witnessed along with the entire tapestry of evidence we all helped to create. It's a beautiful thing, actually. As the self-proclaimed Devil's Advocate in all of this (and in my everyday life), I went into most arguments with the knowledge that I would likely lose the battle. Looking at each piece of evidence from the "real" perspective was always necessary to gauge the soundness of arguments in the "fake" arena. But it was the haters who hated without evidence (beyond the "lighting is too good" argument) that brought me here, and I've enjoyed this peaceful environment. Thank you all for listening. But I can't help but wonder how things would've gone had everyone simply enjoyed or hated the "show," but never questioned its integrity. How long would it've lasted? How would they've outed themselves? WOULD they've outed themselves? Would they've allowed it to taper off, or end with a bang? Would the emotionally invested have felt just as betrayed..or moreso? p.s. - I was glad that my Devil's Advocate-ness (haha) led to one thing that was right: the lighting and setting was nothing special - real room, $130 web cam, a tungsten lamp, and window light on a nice day. Might've been the weakest argument against real, but "professional" lighting was THE thing that got a lot of people suspicious from the beginning. This should give all of us webcammers hope!
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Post by west on Sept 13, 2006 1:42:51 GMT -5
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by wixy15 on Sept 13, 2006 5:38:20 GMT -5
I knew the bloke who set up LG15.com was a fraud. Turns out to actually be the one who ended the whole mystery.
At least he now knows Bury st Edmunds is in Suffolk, not Sussex.
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