CallMeJules24 - The New Girl?

[milowent]

starting a thread just for jules discussion. i've compiled some of the earlier posts about jules below.

Key links:
1. Jules on Youtube

2. Jules on Myspace

3. Jules entry on LGPedia

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oweniscool said:

new callmejules24 video... BLECHHH!!

Field trip

Things seriously annoying with this video
1)Jules continues to use foreign languages despite obviously having no knowledge of them. She's seriously only learned how to say bon apres and adios, and yet she's soooo tired of her dad teaching her these languages
2)There's footage of her "little sister"--that's right, a child. on this eversketchiest of series.

Things amusing with this video
1)Watching "Jules" struggle with the pronounciation of "vulnerable"

hyemew said:

Haha I was totally expecting her to make another one of her lame-o metaphors.
"There were all these bodies with their skin taken off and they were put in different weird positions- where you could see their livers and intestines! My dad makes me study so much in my dungeon so I often feel like I'm a weird body with my skin taken off and livers showing TOO!"

Do the Creators REALLY think by creating (an inferior copy of) another Bree this will somehow strike the same lightning twice and we will find her penchant for language and oppresive father who makes her write pointless reports cute and fun?? NO! It's LAME LAME LAME and as usual the comment section reflects it well. It's funny, last video the only positive comments were directed towards her cat, and this time the only positive comments are for her little sister. Cats and little kids- you basically can't go wrong with them- I mean seriously, the sister was on camera for like 4 seconds and yet the comments are proclaiming HER the better actress. Frankly I don't buy that as she was just saying normal kid things so there was likely no acting involved, but still- nobody likes Jules and it's not hard to see why.


AspartamePop (58 minutes ago)
Wow my friend is going to that exhibit in a few days. That little girl was extremely adorable! But this new LG15 girl is a pretty lousy actor. She pauses alot randomly like she has to remember what to say. I vote for the little sister. =)

Finntroll (57 minutes ago)
but like, isn't this too obvious? if they started with this girl everyone would know it was all fake, but they got 2 great actors for the beginning, so why have they resorted to this? she's reeeeeeally bad!

ConceivedSorrow (47 minutes ago)
This new girl really sucks. To the makers of LG15 - KICK. HER. OUT. Please? She can't act at all... She has a cute little sister, but that makes NO difference. She still sucks.

layne36 (44 minutes ago)
We need a new personality, stop trying to act like Bree. Ughh.... They at least should have gotten a better actress that we would enjoy watching. The only thing worthwhile in this vid was the little sister.

Samarachelle (23 minutes ago)
Ew. Your acting is awful. You form words like you don't know half of what you're saying; it's awkward, as well as your facial expression, which STAYS EXACTLY THE SAME the entire time.

Your 'sister' is a cutie, and can act waaay better than you.
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EDIT: In case you were curious, there are now three traveling Body World exhibits- the original is in Dallas, Texas right now; a sequel is in Chicago, Illinois; and a third is in Pheonix, Arizona.

None are exactly in Bree or the Creators' neighborhood, so that would be a strike against her just showing up in the bunker, however since we never saw them at the exhibit there's also no proof Jules is actually in one those towns, so it doesn't rule her out either. Arizona is only one state away so that explanation could be given if they do find Jules, or none at all as far more ridiculous things have happened with no regard to the plot.

robtomorrow said:

Hyemew

The comments about her little sister being the better actress are factious, I think, I made a comment to that effect on the LG15 forum, and I was being factious.

I think they are fighting a loosing battle with Jules, they should just give it up.

What a mess.

hookedonmonics said:

well, whaddya know. Jules is homeschooled. who woulda thunkit? (see jules' latest blog)

oweniscool said:

hookedonmonics said:

well, whaddya know. Jules is homeschooled. who woulda thunkit? (see jules' latest blog)

Just thought I'd add a link to said (crappy) blog Mi Escuela

Recap:Jules complains about being homeschooled in Spanish. "No tengo gusto," she says. I suppose she meant, "I don't like it", but "no tengo gusto" literally translates to "I have no taste". How wonderfully unintentional, Jules! You have no taste. Your writer has no taste, or skills, for that matter.
In short, another trite, horribly written script, with a Spanish translation even worse than what BabelFish would ever come up with. I'll leave you with this tidbit, which is pretty illustrative of the quality of this blog:
So, I've been homeschooled for several years. Which means I don't get to interact with friends or other people like public schools do. So, I guess that's why I enjoy making videos.

spaciegirl said:

It reminds me of being in middle school, in English class, watching kids do oral reports including memorized literature they don't really understand. I'm gonna go throw up now.

hyemew said:

Well yes, it is for certain that this script was dumbfoundingly simple. If you actually parse through the script, you'll realize that it's actually just a jumble of the same 10 words arranged in various patterns:
1. parents
2. video(s)
3. so
4. fun
5. homeschooled
6. enjoy
7. making
8. something
9. study(ing)
10. *anything Spanish and grammatically incorrect*

I'm not even joking. If I was the actress and handed this script, I would have refused to do it unless I could at the very least simply change some of the word usages so that they weren't so darn repetitive. If you check my list, almost every single one of those words managed to be uttered no less than 3 times in 73 seconds. It's freaking unbelievable. Worst of all is her love of the phrase 'making videos': "Making videos is so fun... I may have to stop making the videos... So, I guess that's why I enjoy making videos." Add her quote of "As you can tell, my parents make me study a lot" to it and that's her making or being made to do something 4 times in what amounts to a paragraph!

A close second example for most frusteratingly-poor scripting goes to the last few lines of it, which I think speak for themselves:
"So, I've been homeschooled for several years... So, I guess that's why I enjoy making videos. So, I'm gonna try to make more videos and stay in touch with everyone... So adios, and good bye."

Do you know any other words? I can't imagine this number of so's could possible have been existed together in the same script, despite her blatantly dry-right-from-memorization reading of it, but since the reading is so wooden it's very hard to tell! And very annoying either way! I think the question now is who is the faux-Mesh writer behind this travesty and why have the Creators chosen to unleash him on an undeserving fanbase!?

oweniscool said:

Bad news, everyone. Jules is definitely the ceremony girl (or at least I think so).
Check out her new blog post on her myspace.
Here's some of it. I edited it for brevity.

i love my sister. yep she's pretty darn cute. but she's also so carefree. all i do is practice, practice, study, do my chores, and practice some more.

what get's me through it??? i remeber that whatever challenges i face it's important to turn to each other. i remind my parents what pressure i'm under. this usually softens them and they apologize for yelling at me.

"Tis' mixed with his life's blood and eaten. 'Tis the use of the lower life to feed the higher life."

this reminds me that there is a higher life out there and i'm needed for a higher purpose. whatever negativity i feel, i know i'm special. i know that they need me. no matter what attention cameron gets, she will never feel as special as i do.

Yep, she used the quote from the Hymn of One email... and Cameron will never be as "special" as she is because she has "a higher purpose". Sound like Bree much?

ETA: Now we know that the "potential" required to do the ceremony has nothing to do with intelligence, good looks, or rapping skillz.

hookedonmonics said:

jules has a new video - its basically saying "get off my back" and possibly setting up an opportunity for bree to catch up with her.

she rapped. again.

oweniscool said:

hahaha, watch the video from the perspective that it is the actress apologizing for her awful job and her writer's pathetic scripts and it's so so great that way.

Here's the link to the video: Hear Me Out

Funny how Bree could have used many of those excuses, but never had to because her videos were always amusing and interesting anyway. And Jules, we get it. You can't pronounce the languages because you're "never heard them" and because you just started. If that's the case, then you haven't been studying them long enough to be complaining so much about just how much you have to study languages. argh.

Warning: She does rap again for a couple of lines...

hyemew said:

She's far more likeable in this one, but I really really think that's because she's coming at us from a vulnerable, humble vantage. Just kind of letting it all out, not really appearing to be reading off a script. I really think it does have to do with the actress speaking much more freely because it's based on real events, not crap she had to memorize verbatim. Unlike the language learning or other things, she really is getting bad comments and people really are criticizing her. No need to act that, she feels it for real and most people who aren't even actors should be able to make a convincing "apologia" episode speaking from the heart like that. I highly doubt that section was scripted, just had some direction as what to say.

Note: I wrote all that before the rapping. She really falls apart towards the end where she stop talking heart-to-heart and starts reading from a script directly as the character again. I think the ending could have been really funny actually if it cut off when she started to do that boom-box spitting noise which always precedes a rap, however she actually went through with it which seriously hurt it!

elixir said:

hyemew said:

The only reason why things would have gotten screwed up by an actor (obviously wasn't BDJ) dropping out last second would be if we already knew their character, and that their character had real significance for the plot.
It is quite curious indeed...

I think you are on to something Hye and OIC. The fact that she was just behind a wall seemed as though they just put it together last second. I do agree that she was a little bit more likeable because she actually felt what she was saying. After watching her in this one, I don't know if she is as young as she looks. She might be about 17 or so but the braces make her look younger. If you take them away, she doesn't really look that young to me.However, I don't know what her appeal was that she was hired in the first place... very weird indeed. I still think her or her parents know the creators! She's like the Tori Spelling of the Breeniverse. She has to be...

Since we pretty much know that she is canon now (whether we like it or not is another story), I think we should have a seperate thread for her so it's easier to find her new videos etc. I had to guess which thread you guys would be discussing her in, lol.

[starlet]

Jules new video is just odd. Its VERY confrontational. I know that the creators are trying to explain some of her character faults, but its so in your face.

[hyemew]

Well if it was designed to make a lot of viewers feel guilted into liking her, it worked pretty well based on the forum comments.

[elixir]

Okay - I'm thinking out loud here about something I have been thinking about since they introduced Jules and the whole 'new girl' idea.

I have to say that one of the basic things I have learnt about writing a narrative is that it is a big mistake to challenge the protagonist of a story with another character who is potentially their equal - i.e. takes on the traits that makes the main character unique or special.

Okay, fair enough there are those episodes of TV shows where a character is challenged in this way - for example, Lisa Simpson with new girl Allison, and Seinfeld "Bizarro world," but their purpose is to make the protagonist jealous, and they always leave or fade away. They don't remain to continually challenge the 'special' protagonist and to challenge us, the viewers, as to which character is our favourite. So it makes me wonder why they would do this when all along we have been lead to believe that Bree is extra special and could never be replaced.

I don't think they purposely picked an 'inferior quality' girl so that we would all hate her, and thus side with Bree. So it makes me question if they are planning to have her 'fade away' eventually - and shown as being not as good as Bree, or if they just made a literary mistake. I don't know. Anyway, she comes across as inferior to Bree, so I don't think there is anything to worry about there, but just the very basic principle of introducing 'another Bree' has me a bit puzzled.

[oweniscool]

starlet said:

Jules new video is just odd. Its VERY confrontational. I know that the creators are trying to explain some of her character faults, but its so in your face.

Ugh, totally. We were complaining about them "shoving her down our throats" and, well, now they definitely are.

hyemew said:

Well if it was designed to make a lot of viewers feel guilted into liking her, it worked pretty well based on the forum comments.

*sigh*, oh well then. I'd rather not have to put up with her, but if her writer (whoever you are!) would at least make the effort to give her some decent scripts, it might not be that bad. However, I question the wisdom behind deciding to take this Jules thing so far... she would have been easy to write out when they saw the negative reactions. She might have not been HoO, she might have not been Ceremony girl, or even if she was, maybe the Order can change its mind and not pick her. The all-powerful Order can do whatever they want, right? Except catch Bree and do the ceremony, right?

elixir said:

I have to say that one of the basic things I have learnt about writing a narrative is that it is a big mistake to challenge the protagonist of a story with another character who is potentially their equal - i.e. takes on the traits that makes the main character unique or special.

Wow, I never thought of it like that. I read a lot but I don't know about the meta stuff like these special rules. Hm, that's really something, because it's exactly what the c's did. I think it could have worked if they had made Jules a different enough character at the same time, but the way they introduced her made her look like such a cheap copy of Bree that it was just absurd. Perhaps if they'd emphasized the soccer earlier on, avoided that rap, or actually written out those stupid language phrases correctly--we wouldn't have hated her so much. She maybe could have had enough "special" characteristics of her own that she would only rival Bree in her ceremony candidacy.

This whole Jules fiasco got me thinking about the fan culture in the forum, particularly their tightly held belief that they can somehow influence the story or the Creators' decisions if they are vocal enough. It kind of applies to me too.
When I'm watching The Office on television, I don't go running to their comment board when Roy and Pam get back together ("Noooooo") hoping that they'll listen to me. But that's tv, this is a new medium, right?
When I'm watching Prom Queen on myspace, and I really dislike Chad and I don't want Sadie to get involved with him, I don't post incessantly under the video "Don't do it Sadie! Eisner, you better not break her heart! I will stop watching if you do!" But that's a different me-- wait, no it isn't. It's an IMS.
So why is it different with LG15? Why do we place these additional demands on the c's? Why do we expect them to placate all our preferences? Was it all the interactivity BS? Is it because the show's quality has deteriorated so much that most fans even think they would know how to do it better? I dunno, just OIC pondering.

[oweniscool]

A-ha! I knew there was something about Jules's language excuses that was really bothering me. She says her pronounciation is awful because she's never heard anyone speak these languages. Fair enough, if she's truly has never heard them, but in her first video she says,
The [language] I prefer most would have to be French. I guess because it sounds so beautiful. Not coming from me, of course, but if you actually listen to a French person speak the language, it's so amazing. Like the way "bonjour" rolls off your tongue. Bonjour. Bonjour. Bonjour.

Busted.

[hyemew]

Ahaha Owen you put that fact in the lgpedia right? And posted it EVERYWHERE?
Jules has a shocking number of controdictions and plot holes for someone who has neither a plot nor a number of videos.

[oweniscool]

Actually, I hadn't bothered, but now it's there! There's just so much they screwed up with that character... me sad. le sigh.

[robtomorrow]

That's funny, her Spanish was passable, I think, I'm not sure since I don't speak Spanish, but her French was horrible, not only did she pronounce the syllables wrong that were there but she added a couple of extra syllables gratuitously. "Bon apres midi" came out as "bone a pray dee ess midess" and "mes noms est Julia" is completely wrong, it should of been " je m'appelle Julia".

[hookedonmonics]

she did the same thing with spanish. she should have said (and, excuse my spanish, it's been over 10 years since high school) "Me llamo Julia" and not "mi nombre es Julia."
It's a literal translation from english but everyone knows that sentences are structured differently in spanish and french from english. (and apparently, I don't speak any of them fluently. sorry for that sentence,)

rob, how would you pronounce that correctly? I would say (and mind you, I don't know a word of french) wait, I don't know how to spell pronounciation well enough. the bon would have a buried 'n' that sounds almost like "ng", then ah-pray (but with a mushy sounding "pr") , and mideee. I do love languages, thoughI only remember bits of spanish.

[robtomorrow]

hookedonmonics said:

rob, how would you pronounce that correctly? I would say (and mind you, I don't know a word of french) wait, I don't know how to spell pronounciation well enough. the bon would have a buried 'n' that sounds almost like "ng", then ah-pray (but with a mushy sounding "pr") , and mideee. I do love languages, thoughI only remember bits of spanish.

You are about a close as I could describe it, without using phonetics which I don't know. The "on" in bon has a nasal sound and the "n" is silent, but is carried to the next syllable but barely heard "na-pray" with the accent on "pray" and the "r"s have a guttural sound, then "mi-dee" with the accent on "dee".

Besides that the phrase is hardly used in French, the French say "bon jour" no matter what time of day it is, except "bon soir" which is used in the same way good night is used in English.

[oweniscool]

I think her German may have been the worst. "Is my names Julia?" Erm, I dunno, are they?

Man, when discussion about your character is dominated by comments about which of your languages is the worst and why, it's probably time to scratch it and start over.

[elixir]

ETA: Where did your post on Bablefish go, Robtomorrow? I replied to nothing, lol...

Oh god... they used Bablefish?! Hahahaha, that explains it!

I typed something silly into Bablefish not long ago, translated it to Korean and then back to English and this is what I got...

What I typed:
I like eating cheese on Sundays, because if I eat cheese on Saturdays it just feels wrong. Also, Sunday is a holy day and everything feels better on Sunday except that you know the next day is Monday and that you have a whole week of work ahead of you. That sucks.

If you want to know what I don't like, I'll tell you. I hate it when people say rude things at inappropriate times. That makes me mad. I mean, couldn't you just think of another word? You don't have to swear all the time! Bloody hell, people can be rude!

And it becomes...

It goes out and when it eats the cheese Saturday and in order only the frame li to feel, I eat the cheese Sunday and Sip i increase. Also, Sunday religion coat festival day and the egg it respects and all Sunday being instead of compared to it recovers Monday which is at next day it feels and and one stock price of day that you whom it spreads out before there is, in you and. That is the n which it will suck. Sip u ten:00 bedspreads!

It means when you want the egg, I and will talk the fact that it does not like to go out to you. When talking that it is impolite at the hour when the person is inadequate I hate it. That production the B which goes mad. Under political party free meaning which spreads out it boils, different word it can think? It spreads out and always must swear,! The hell where it is bloody, the person is a possibility of being impolite,!

So please creators, don't rely on the Internet for translating language!

[robtomorrow]

elixir said:

ETA: Where did your post on Bablefish go, Robtomorrow? I replied to nothing, lol...

Sorry elixir, I don't know why I delete things sometimes.

What I said was.

I did a test on Babelfish.com when you put in "good after noon" you get "bon apres midi" but if you put in "good afternoon" you get "bon jour". If you put in "my name is Julia" you get "mon nom est Julia' instead of "je m'appelle Julia".

Busted again

[hookedonmonics]

you guys didn't discuss this yet, did you? (from julia's myspace blog)

DUKE
Current mood: cheerful


i've been in a really good mood the past couple days. i was so bummed when my parents limited my time on the computer (1 more week!!). it's been really frustrating!! i decided to go through some old boxes -- we moved last year and there's still some boxes in the garage that haven't been unpacked.

i found some of my old stuffed animals. hahahaha i've actually been looking for a few of them - they're sentimental, ok??? i'm so happy i found one in particular. it's a scottish terrier i think. i've had it forever. his name is DUKE cute huh? my parents brought him back from a trip when i was really little. he's so cute and cuddly.

ya so i'm really happy to have duke again. i always feel safe holding him.

oh my dad never got those basketball tickets. bummer. but it's ok cuz my team didn't do very well.

seriously, didn't we fire the stuffies?