flwright
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Post by flwright on Jun 27, 2007 7:47:12 GMT -5
What would it take to save this series and bring it back to life? Cadbury Adams turns out to be the British spinoff. Jeromy takes over the LG15 ARG division. Bree, Aunt Alex, and Bree's resurrected notDad kick some Hymn of One A**. Tempestarii takes over the LG15 Department of Sex Education. <edit> punctuation
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Post by oweniscool on Jun 27, 2007 8:00:11 GMT -5
Uber smart Taylor tears a hole in the space time fabric, erasing plot holes, pink herrings, OpAphid and the mess it left behind, and especially the Cowboy. Taylor proceeds to also erase herself and Sarah. The ceremony happens and it turns out to be unexpectedly awesome and blows us all away. I don't care if it kills Bree.
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jeromy
Cove Jr. Detective
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Post by jeromy on Jun 27, 2007 8:41:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the props upstairs from this post. I appreciate it.
Here are some particular present places to explore that I find interesting.
The Education of Sarah This would be DB educating Sarah about everything that has happened. (The evolution of Bree, the nature of The Order, and in general, a bunch of potential plot hole fillers).
Jonas's Money I think this is probably the most realistic aspect of the story. How in the fuck are they living off of Jonas and it not have an effect on their relationships? I think as far as conflict - this would have the most realistic bearing on the relationship.
In general these two ideas don't fix the past problems, it just buys us some time so that the current filler vids don't continue to scoop from the remains of the slop.
(c) 2007 Jeromy Barber - Call me Creators!
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lola
Anchor Cove Jr. Resident
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Post by lola on Jun 27, 2007 15:37:05 GMT -5
Hi Anchorites. I've been Lurking here for awhile and feel like it's finally time to chime in. I was part of the CiW, OpAphid and Maddison Atkins groups and have pretty much reverted to lurker status at LG15. Here's the solution I had when they fired Glenn and I think it's still got merit.
It was all a dream.....
Seriously. It's the only way. Bree wakes up in her bedroom, she's sweet, smart virgin Bree again blogging in her bedroom. Her parents are alive, she belongs to some strange cult and there's romantic tension with her best friend Daniel. Everything from the moment they went on the run until now was a dream. This way everyone gets a "do over." Bree goes back to what she does best in the vlogs and the story can be reformulated for a plot that makes sense. Elements that were popular can be incorporated. Take Jonas for example. He's supposed to be imaginary right but one day he shows up as a councilor at Bree's camp. Tension builds, the audience realizes that maybe there's something more going on here (other than the endless ceremony) and that they may know things Bree doesn't. Think of the possibilities here.
Runner up idea. They all realize they can't do anything for Bree so they try to go back to normal. Daniel goes back home, gets a job, tries to forget everything that's happened. Maybe Jonas sells the house and decides to move to LA. Maybe he goes off to see if he can find his parents. Bree becomes the face of the Order, there's nothing they can do for her she's crossed over. They all continue to vlog. This allows for plenty of filler videos that don't need to advance a story (just showing them trying to get back to normal) and sets the stage for a whole new (non-ceremony based) suspense plot to kick in. Something new happens and the Scooby gang must reuinite...just when everything looked like it was working out for them.
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Post by oweniscool on Jun 27, 2007 16:23:54 GMT -5
Thanks for coming out of hiding, lola. Always nice to have another poster out from lurker status. Your "it was all a dream" idea reminds me of a similar post made by Hye, who also desperately yearns for the early days when the show was actually good. My idea is that Bree's parents were ARG players. They were so into it, that they went to a drop or something with that Deacon dude, left Bree an in-character note, and she thought it was like way real so she ran away.
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lola
Anchor Cove Jr. Resident
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Post by lola on Jun 27, 2007 17:22:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome. I like your idea. I actually yearn for the days when there were drops.
Here's something I'd really like to see. The LG guys (I'm sorry I just can't say Creators) giving seed money to Maddy Atkins and others to run their shows properly as separate shows on the site. They can continue all the silliness with Bree and company to their heart's content and grow new audiences with new shows.
I would also like to see the return of Glenn but know that's wishful thinking.
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jeromy
Cove Jr. Detective
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Post by jeromy on Jun 27, 2007 17:34:31 GMT -5
That's a golden idea Lola. Seed Money!!!
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jun 27, 2007 19:07:30 GMT -5
I just don't understand how they could have lost their way so badly. I guess Willy's timeline was probably closest to it, but how can they even begin to think that this is anything but just horrible right now? It's so hard to even think of a way to salvage it at this point... My guess is they want to get out of it, but can't due to the impending KM launch.
I think the premise of vlog-based ARGs show a lot of promise, witness Jeromy's entry. But despite all the clues and puzzles, is still comes down to character development and plot. Without them, it becomes no more interesting (to me granted) than a crossword puzzle. Is this easy to pull off? Hell no, or Slainte and I would be producing the middle-age drunkard ARG. It's not supposed to be easy...
I think startup capital would be very helpful, but again, no substitute for good writing, acting, directing, and project management. Per Jeromy's post, project management may be the biggest issue at this point. It's tough in any organization, creative or otherwise...
Anyhooo, welcome lola! Sorry for all the negativity, been jousting at the phorum for a few days and that leaves one kinda slimy.
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Post by milowent on Jun 28, 2007 8:41:01 GMT -5
Hi Anchorites. I've been Lurking here for awhile and feel like it's finally time to chime in. yay! you know, i've seen people suggest similar ideas in chat and the like, but it really is approaching the point of reality. but, i can't imagine the Creators ever doing it? Can you? It would be too frank of an admission of getting derailed. Do have a secret tap into Hyemew's dreams? :-) As much as would love something like this, it seems the Creators are moving farther and farther from Bree's centrality to the story. Probably because they are planning for Jessica's departure sooner or later. I really like this idea if they did the dream thing. this has merit too. the fact that daniel and sarah are supported by jonas (and for so long), is another weakness that we don't event talk about anymore.
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Post by hyemew on Jun 28, 2007 10:42:05 GMT -5
The problem with Jessica's impending departure is that they really haven't built up anyone to replace her. Jonas and Daniel are solid characters, albeit contradictory in their behaviors at times, and Bree has driven us near-insane at times to the point of severe dislike, however if she ever gets restored to her sane self she is still the centerpoint of this show. It's called lonelygirl15 after all and you need that kind of center. There's been no female lead (except Aunt Alex? who of course is not in the proper position or age to be central to the show) capable of picking up the void Bree leaves behind as 'the' lonelygirl15. Gemma obviously couldn't have. Sarah, though the most on-screen female lead, is really not the type of calibur character who I think could be the star either- sure they could change her from the one-dimensional sex kitten she plays now- but the damange is done. Taylor I think is most able to step into the role if they needed her too, but having only been around a few weeks and mostly hanging out back in Texas away from the action doesn't make her important enough to just be the star. That's also true for Sarah.
I will love the big dream idea forever. It breaks all vlog conventions and is definitely impossible, but they've made such a mess and at least bended reality so many times before, what's one more time to fix things?
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Post by commonjoe on Jun 28, 2007 11:04:39 GMT -5
Just move all the old vlogs prior to the craziness and put them on lg15. That'd provide a fresh start to the whole dream thing, but it doesn't solve that JR is leaving. Although they could bring Gemma back XD
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Post by milowent on Jun 28, 2007 11:21:35 GMT -5
Taylor I think is most able to step into the role if they needed her too, but having only been around a few weeks and mostly hanging out back in Texas away from the action doesn't make her important enough to just be the star. brilliant. perhaps jonas' trip to texas is part of plotline which will bring taylor back to california (because her sleuthing makes her wanted by the order now or something--one can imagine the order getting upset because she unearths information about them by hacking into computer or something), and she will fill the lead female role. she's probably supposed to be about 15. most people like taylor and she can be kept relatively pure, while sarah fills another niche. jonas stays involved because he wants to find his parents. the continued existence of daniel is the only wildcard in this theory.
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Post by jayhenry on Jun 28, 2007 13:23:52 GMT -5
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lola
Anchor Cove Jr. Resident
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Post by lola on Jun 28, 2007 13:26:47 GMT -5
I think I've kept mum for so long because I've really been rooting for this thing to work.
They've become such unreliable storytellers though it's hard to invest in anything that happens from one video to the next. The "this is hard guys" exuse and the "this is a new art form" excuse have also become annoying. Good storytelling is good storytelling whatever the medium. For most of the run of this show the audience has been really smart with feedback yet none of the advice is taken.
Why are they letting JR go? Why would she want to go? For better or worse she's the brand all of this rests on and they should be bending over backwards to keep her. It also doesn't make much sense for her to leave a role that gives her a showcase and makes her the face of a brand. George Clooney stayed on ER long after he began his film career.
Thanks for the warm welcome to the cove!
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Post by hyemew on Jun 28, 2007 17:25:47 GMT -5
Well JR is really busy. I don't think she wants to go, per se, evidenced by what appears to be close relationships with the cast and crew and her keeping up appearances on it, however there's only so much time in the day and its possible that her other mounting non-internet committments will just get too much.
But totally yes to the whole unreliable storytelling. As we've said numerous times, one second their doing one thing, when suddenly next video all of a sudden their thinking and actions just take a 180. Very inconsistent and impossible to even get close to knowing what's going to happen- and I don't mean in a good creative way, in a terrible I never get to know the true characters because they differ wildly each episode way.
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