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Post by Game Theory on Sept 5, 2006 15:58:01 GMT -5
Posted this elsewhere by request, but now it seems like it belongs here. This is my theory. It all hinges on whether Brian Flemming is an "unreliable narrator" or not. This is an ALTERNATE REALITY GAME. We're witnessing the beginning of what is possibly the most elaborate ARG ever, and Brian Flemming is definitely involved. And he has told us as much if we know how to listen within the rules of the ARG. WHY THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE BRIAN FLEMMING'S DENIAL:If we can't believe Brian Flemming's denial, everything connecting him to LG15 stands. That should be obvious. Take that one little thing away, and Brian Flemming remains by far the most likely suspect. To date, we have been taking Brian Flemming's denial at face value. But should we? Let's ask his collaborator Brian Clark: "One should be careful in taking a denial from Brian Flemming at face value. Never have I met a more accomplished or fearless reality hacker."--Brian Clark This is a Brian Flemming collaborator, who has been designed a number of internet hoaxes/ARGs, telling us not to take Brian's denial "at face value." And he's saying this where? On a site devoted to ALTERNATE REALITY GAMING. And look at the timing. As soon as Brian Flemming actually issues a denial, his partner is in the press saying not to believe it. When the truth eventually comes out, Brian will be able to point to this. He can say yes, I "lied," but we issued evidence that I wasn't truly lying right along with it. I TOLD everyone it was a game, and that my denial was not to be taken "at face value." Does anyone think that Brian Clark is going to give that quote about Brian Flemming if this is NOT a game? If that's the case, Clark is basically calling his collaborator and business partner a real-world liar. Doesn't make sense. And if we need ANOTHER kick in the head for this, check out Brian Flemming's latest blog. It says: "It's not about the girl, it's about the game." The word "game" links to William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition." And the picture with the blog shows Lee Harvey Oswald being assassinated. BlogPhotoLook closely at the picture. This is a game. He's telling us to stop focusing on "the girl" and to play the game. Put the girl in the background and focus on the conspiracy. He's saying, recognize the pattern. Just an idea.
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Post by Game Theory on Sept 5, 2006 15:59:36 GMT -5
Does Brian consider filmmaking itself to be "telling lies" (his words) and that it's okay to trick a reporter with a reality hacking film project? Check out Brian Flemming himself speaking about just these subjects: "Anatomy of a Fake"
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Post by Game Theory on Sept 5, 2006 16:10:21 GMT -5
Over at the other forum, NancyDrew posted this:
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BRIAN FLEMMING FACT SHEET
Brian Flemming is a film director who in both his films and his promotion of them tends to do innovative, often controversial things. His last movie is a documentary called "The God Who Wasn't There" and makes the case that Jesus Christ never existed. His upcoming movie is a fictional feature film called "Danielle." It is clouded in secrecy, but it is known that Flemming plans for "Danielle" to appeal to a teen audience.
Here are some clues that Brian Flemming is behind the LG15 project, and that it's promotion for his new "Danielle" movie:
BRIAN FLEMMING AND PAST FILM-RELATED HOAX. Brian Flemming's second feature film was called "Nothing So Strange," which was about the assassination of Microsoft's Bill Gates. Wikipedia says:
"Prior to release of the film, Flemming registered and developed realistic web pages for a number of the subjects in the film, including [www.citizensfortruth.org], lamenting the assassination of Bill Gates and criticizing the LAPD for their poor investigation of the incident. Each of these sites, including the main website for the movie, are completely in character and betray nothing about their purely fictitious nature."
This web promotion was so convincing that on April 4, 2003 the Korean stock market crashed when news media there reported that Bill Gates had been killed. [en.wikipedia.org] [news.bbc.co.uk]
BRIAN FLEMMING AND BLOG-RELATED HOAX. He is obviously a fan of internet hoaxes and openly created one on his weblog: [www.slumdance.com]
BRIAN FLEMMING AND PRODUCTION COMPANY ASSOCIATED WITH HOAXES. Fleming's film "Nothing So Strange" was produced by GMD Studio, which in the past has partnered with the "Blair Witch" filmmakers to put on other hoaxes. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Find other connections between Flemming and the "Blair Witch" filmmakers. [www.gmdstudios.com] [www.gmdstudios.com]
BEYOND BELIEF MEDIA, YOUTUBE AND MAY 2006. Brian Flemming's company, Beyond Belief Media, registered a YouTube account in May 2006 -- the same month that lonelygirl15 registered her account, and the same month that this lonelygirl15.com "fan" site was registered. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Find out why Beyond Belief Media decided to create a YouTube account in May 2006. [www.youtube.com]
BEYOND BELIEF MEDIA AND LONELYGIRL15. Lonelygirl15 is one of the three "Channels I'm Watching" listed on Beyond Belief Media's YouTube account. The other two: A channel critical of religious myths (GIIVideo), and one associated with HDNet. HDNet has an independent film division. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Find out if HDNet has any other connections to Brian Flemming. [www.hdnetfilms.com]
"BEAST" + "DANIELLE". Brian Flemming has been secretive about his new film -- more secretive than most directors are about films in production. Even the identity of the lead actress is not known. (Why wouldn't Beyond Belief Media want to publicize that? How come there are no pictures of the cast members on the film's site? Is it because Bree and Daniel are actually cast members?) The film used to be called "The Beast" but is now called "Danielle". The "danielbeast" coincidence here is pretty hard to ignore. The plotline involves a 16-year-old Christian girl who discovers evidence that Jesus never existed and leaves Christianity because of that discovery. Lonelygirl15 has said in YouTube comments: "I’m not Christian" and has specifically said she doesn't believe in Jesus Christ. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Find out more about the movie "Danielle" especially its story line and actors. [www.danielle-movie.com]
BRIAN FLEMMING AND SATANIC ASSOCIATION. On June 6, 2006, Brian Flemming attended a Church of Satan High Mass in Los Angeles. Not kidding. Aleister Crowley was a strong influence on the Church of Satan. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Find other connections between Flemming and Crowley/Thelema. [www.slumdance.com] [www.steveallentheater.com] [en.wikipedia.org]
BRIAN FLEMMING COMMENTARY ON LG15. Brian Flemming has posted two detailed weblog entries about lonelygirl15, accusing her of being a hoax. He's even jokingly (?) claimed to be involved with the hoax. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Ask Brian Flemming why he is so interested in lonelygirl15. [www.slumdance.com] [www.slumdance.com]
BRIAN FLEMMING PERSONALLY INTERVENES IN WIKIPEDIA ISSUE. Wikipedia editors are currently not allowing users to create a Wikipedia article for lonelygirl15. Brian Flemming has personally posted to the Wikipedia "Talk" page for this issue to argue that the article should be allowed. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Ask Brian Flemming why he's so interested in lonelygirl15 having her own page on Wikipedia. [en.wikipedia.org]
BRIAN FLEMMING AND CREATIVE COMMONS. Brian Flemming used Creative Commons music in "The God Who Wasn't There". Bree and Daniel also use Creative Commons music in their videos. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Find other connections between Flemming and Creative Commons. [www.thegodmovie.com]
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Since NancyDrew posted this:
-Brian Flemming has denied being involved with the project, denied being a Satanist, and stated that since The Beast is from the Tribe of Daniel in the Bible, it explains the "Danielbeast" coincidence.
-Brian Clark of GMD Studios has said not to take Brian Flemming's denial "at face value."
What hasn't happened:
-Brian Flemming has explained none of the other coincidences that tie him to the project. He said he didn't "have the time" to deal with them. Most of the items in NancyDrew's fact sheet remain unresolved.
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Post by waffle on Sept 5, 2006 17:14:10 GMT -5
There didn't seem to be anywhere else to post this so:
Flemming's imdb page claims he was born on 6.6.66. Really. Also, this site (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40867) says of his film Danielle:
Currently in pre-production, the film's cast and crew are "legally sworn to secrecy,"
Granted, it was written a while ago - but if this were true.....
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Post by hyemew on Sept 5, 2006 17:58:29 GMT -5
Flemming's imdb page claims he was born on 6.6.66. Wow could the loser with the devil fetish really be behind it? Doubtful but who knows. I think he's trying to mess with us by having his associate tell us not to believe a BF denial. It's a way that someone like him without any involvement can keep himself a suspect and have fun at our expense. In the end when it turns out not to be him he can still point to the denial despite still leading us on. I say until Bree starts plugging Danielle the movie we consider him officially not a suspect.
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Post by Lee123 on Sept 5, 2006 18:40:46 GMT -5
Hey Hye Good to see you here... I kinda lost interest when there was more drama on the boards than in LG's vids lol And to others interested in taking a second look at Flemming WHile there are still a few other compelling theories...I havent really seen any compelling evidence to RULE OUt the Brian Flemming angle.... Review these things for a moment: CON Brian Flemming issued a VERY strongly worded denial that he says would jeopardize him professionally if not true.....(very believable) PRO *Brian Flemming was the leading candidate who had and still HAS the most number of actual Paralells to the whole LG thing...(I will post a recap of probable connections) *There have been NO real facts to rule him out An admited hoaxer Able to manipulate this entire situation in an incedible way: First by Drawing attention TO himself as the one possibly behind LG Then in an instant to throw attention AWAY from himself by simply denying it and telling everyone to please go home and go look elsewhere. and......and.....talk about manipulation... THEN THEN -----> I can hardly bring myself to say it...... then all of us LG "Sleuths" (myself included) Took a KNOWN hoaxer at face falue THEN did exactly what he said to do - stopped asking questions!!?? (even if he is NOT behind LG......you hafta admit he certainly has AMAZING powers of pursuasion!) If you havn't seen his latest Blog.....check www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemminglook closely.....at least he has a sense of humor I am interested to see if anyone thinks Mr. Flemming will return to what he now calls the "Game"
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Post by Game Theory on Sept 5, 2006 20:07:42 GMT -5
Wow could the loser with the devil fetish really be behind it? Doubtful but who knows. I think he's trying to mess with us by having his associate tell us not to believe a BF denial. Actually that would fit, wouldn't it? Has Virginia talked to Brian CLark? www.gmdstudios.com/
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Post by mku77 on Sept 5, 2006 20:35:45 GMT -5
This is a little nugget from Mr Flemings diary, 2004 www.nothingsostrange.com/diary/041204.htmlAnd to paraphrase "In fact, Nothing So Strange would probably not even have been conceived if I hadn't been riding on the DV bandwagon. Once you own the tools and can shoot or edit literally at any time of the day or night, with zero preparation or coordination, you simply look at filmmaking in a new way. The idea of what is possible expands beyond what used to be possible if you a) Got the money, b) Arranged a schedule, c) Got everyone together at the appointed time, et cetera. Conventional film production is an activity dominated by problem-solving. So the freedom to conceive an idea and start shooting and cutting it instantly--sometimes without so much as a phone call to get the ball rolling--transforms the filmmaking process. Producing a scene becomes less about solving logistical problems and more about, well, producing a scene. It's addictive. I'm really not interested in making films any other way. And once HD can fit into this process, there will be one less reason even to think about it." end quote this is interesting!
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Post by mku77 on Sept 5, 2006 21:29:54 GMT -5
And on the connection between hdnet and fleming we need to look at www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/archives/001805.htmlhdnets founder Todd Wagner has an interesting past www.hdnetfilms.com/about/todd.html, edit re:BRIAN FLEMMING AND CREATIVE COMMONS. Brian Flemming used Creative Commons music in "The God Who Wasn't There". Bree and Daniel also use Creative Commons music in their videos. FURTHER INVESTIGATION: Find other connections between Flemming and Creative Commons. Scroll dwn to the bottom of the slumdance blog and lo they are licensed by Creative Commons
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Post by Lee123 on Sept 6, 2006 17:29:26 GMT -5
BACKGROUND- A PREVIOUS ARG GAME USED TO PROMOTE MOVIE A.I. IN 2001 From ARG Website en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_%28game%29"The Beast was an alternate reality game (ARG) created by a team at Microsoft to promote the Stephen Spielberg film A.I.: Artificial Intelligence. The Beast was the first mature ARG and is widely considered the father of the genre. An ARG is a game which deliberately blurs the line between the game and the real world. Players investigate the world of the game using the same tools with which they interact with the real world such as websites, email, telephone conversations and even in-person discussions with actors playing game characters. The mantra of The Beast, and most other ARGs, is "This is not a game." quick summary of Solution See www.cloudmakers.org/On April 11, 2001, Cloudmakers was founded as a discussion group for the interative web game centered around the film A.I. We officially solved the game on July 24, 2001. Though the original game, The Beast, has ended, Cloudmakers now serves as a clearinghouse for online gaming. Members can find out about new games, find fellow players, and reminisce about and discuss The Beast. This much we were told from the beginning: Evan Chan was murdered. A web of clues was spun through the datasphere, and the Cloudmakers meticulously pored over each and every puzzle and detail. The Cloudmakers brought together diverse skills ranging from cutting edge spectral analysis to a unique and unrivaled knowledge of historical evends and world literature . . . and a whole lot more. Two heads may be better than one, but seven thousand combined to form the ultimate crime fighting syndicate. In fact, what we did was so groundbreaking that an in-game character, Jeanine Salla, honored us by "writing" a paper about us. Microsoft was behind the curtain for the Beast; Elan Lee and Sean Stewart were the lead designers. The game was a promotion for A.I. The film was Stanley Kubrick's unfinished project, and was directed by Steven Spielberg for DreamWorks. WarnerBros released the film in the US on June 29, 2001. NOW Some Cloudmakers are playing other web games, and others are waiting for the next project from The Beast's development team. A new game is not actively being solved under the CM brand, yet Cloudmakers remains the place to find out about new developments in the world of web games and to rehash or relive THE BEAST" THEORY- Since Mocrosoft was behind this particular ARG in 2001, perhaps Flemming felt justified in creating his Bill Gates Assasination Hoax. While not proof, methods are consistent with Flemming's latest stated opinion on LG that it's not about lonely girl.....it's about the GAME www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/
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Post by rainmaker on Sept 6, 2006 22:58:24 GMT -5
BACKGROUND- A PREVIOUS ARG GAME USED TO PROMOTE MOVIE A.I. IN 2001 From ARG Website en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_%28game%29"The Beast was an alternate reality game (ARG) created by a team at Microsoft to promote the Stephen Spielberg film A.I.: Artificial Intelligence. The Beast was the first mature ARG and is widely considered the father of the genre. An ARG is a game which deliberately blurs the line between the game and the real world. Players investigate the world of the game using the same tools with which they interact with the real world such as websites, email, telephone conversations and even in-person discussions with actors playing game characters. The mantra of The Beast, and most other ARGs, is "This is not a game." quick summary of Solution See www.cloudmakers.org/On April 11, 2001, Cloudmakers was founded as a discussion group for the interative web game centered around the film A.I. We officially solved the game on July 24, 2001. Though the original game, The Beast, has ended, Cloudmakers now serves as a clearinghouse for online gaming. Members can find out about new games, find fellow players, and reminisce about and discuss The Beast. This much we were told from the beginning: Evan Chan was murdered. A web of clues was spun through the datasphere, and the Cloudmakers meticulously pored over each and every puzzle and detail. The Cloudmakers brought together diverse skills ranging from cutting edge spectral analysis to a unique and unrivaled knowledge of historical evends and world literature . . . and a whole lot more. Two heads may be better than one, but seven thousand combined to form the ultimate crime fighting syndicate. In fact, what we did was so groundbreaking that an in-game character, Jeanine Salla, honored us by "writing" a paper about us. Microsoft was behind the curtain for the Beast; Elan Lee and Sean Stewart were the lead designers. The game was a promotion for A.I. The film was Stanley Kubrick's unfinished project, and was directed by Steven Spielberg for DreamWorks. WarnerBros released the film in the US on June 29, 2001. NOW Some Cloudmakers are playing other web games, and others are waiting for the next project from The Beast's development team. A new game is not actively being solved under the CM brand, yet Cloudmakers remains the place to find out about new developments in the world of web games and to rehash or relive THE BEAST" THEORY- Since Mocrosoft was behind this particular ARG in 2001, perhaps Flemming felt justified in creating his Bill Gates Assasination Hoax. While not proof, methods are consistent with Flemming's latest stated opinion on LG that it's not about lonely girl.....it's about the GAME www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/WTF, this has been what I've been trying to get at a along. It's not about Bree, it's about the religion aspect. Bree and Daniel are probably just the actors in a movie that has to do with religion. Could it be that the fight between Bree and Daniel are just a glimpse of one of the plots in the movie? Bree denies Christ; Daniel doesn't, but is torn between his love for Bree and his religion. Bree's dad is Daniel's boss and can put Daniel's financial future in jeopardy. The mother is nowhere to be seen, but Bree is missing her. Maybe the missing mother has to do with why Bree reject's Christ? It's not about the actors, but the relationship between them and how it ties into religion.
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Post by Lee123 on Sept 7, 2006 0:04:31 GMT -5
Rainmaker,,,,,,yup seems so......many have theorized the whole thing was connected to an upcoming film or product of some sort, with an implied or a yet to be revealed religous plot line. As you say, religious tension between Bree and Daniel at this juncture would be a perfect plot twist (and in Daniel's recent absence ) makes sense for a religious debate of somekind between Bree and Daniel has been nicely set up.......looks like we headed ithere soon in next few vids as we get closer to her religious ceremony - The $$$ Question is "who do you think is actually behind all this...? and is there any solid evidence for a particular individual?"
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Post by rainmaker on Sept 7, 2006 0:38:19 GMT -5
I believe that NBC, YouTube, and other corporations are invovled. It's not about Bree, it's about the Game. Bree is just a "distraction" from all the clues going on behind the girl. Just like the Oswald pic is a distraction fromt eh presence of Bree. I believe that Flemming has a huge part to play and NBC, YouTube, and all involved parties are behind this.
What is more enticing than using some technology that is popular among a wide range of target audiences and then being exalted for it by the media? I can see it now: newscaster will say, "Using the latest in popular communcative mediums, the creators of the film "Blah Blah" have created a large cult following. It all started with a vid-blog (has the term "vlog" been coined yet?)by a girl named Bree . . ."
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Post by newone on Sept 7, 2006 9:43:59 GMT -5
Ok, I was buying into the YouTube thing, but why would YouTube allow her to post her videos elsewhere?
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Post by entertainment weakly on Sept 7, 2006 10:05:07 GMT -5
I don't think Flemming has anything to do with it, though I bet he wishes he did.
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