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Post by justin34539 on Jan 20, 2007 18:36:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure everyone knows that noho's weho's or whatever there called are fake.... so why don't they admit it? .... i mean i message them and tell them that there fake and they always say there not!! ... i mean i like there show (fake or not) and everyone else does... but why don't they just admit it?
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Post by milowent on Jan 20, 2007 19:55:52 GMT -5
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Post by paul on Jan 24, 2007 0:53:37 GMT -5
Does Lonelygirl admit that she's fake on her videos? There are plans for an interstitial site where there will be a "reality" board but to post a comment to "Mary" or to "Nancy" on the video comments does destroy the illusion. Nobody has ever said they were not fake, either. We leave it up to the imagination and the individual to decide.
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Post by hyemew on Jan 24, 2007 19:09:33 GMT -5
YOU MEAN THEY'RE NOT REAL? ??!
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Post by Jennifer on Jan 24, 2007 23:38:15 GMT -5
Does Lonelygirl admit that she's fake on her videos? There are plans for an interstitial site where there will be a "reality" board but to post a comment to "Mary" or to "Nancy" on the video comments does destroy the illusion. Nobody has ever said they were not fake, either. We leave it up to the imagination and the individual to decide. It does got a bit futher than this. I don't think LG15 management deletes comments in the threads under the vids relating to whether she is an actress or not, whereas it is a policy of Iron Sink on Live Video to censor (ie delete) comments which pertain to reality/atcresses etc. So, people can make their decison, but only based on the vids, and some misinformation in the comments that still remain after the censors have had their way. When people make up their own minds in most circumstances eg On the truth in the Bible or not, they can read the Bible, and listen to the protagonists and the detractors. They then make a decision in posession of whatever information is available. Now, I realise that Iron Sink have put a huge amount of effort into the series, not to mention financial resources. In this respect, it's a commercial and perhaps artistic decision to make such reality preserving censorship so as to maintain the illusion in some way on LV, which may in the end lead to a more thought provoking scenario and maybe some greater long term interest from a certain sector of the fans. But, I don't think there is any harm laying open the full facts here for deliberation.
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Post by paul on Jan 25, 2007 23:37:19 GMT -5
Jennifer,
The point I was making about LG15 is that they had ZERO interaction with the fans. It was a one way communication for the longest time. And you cannot say for certain that they did not delete any comments. You just don't know if they did.
With the NoHo's we had interaction via the characters from day one. That's the illusion we created. For you, who knew the truth, to have taken information gleaned from here and other sources and posted it within that illusion is somewhat of a betrayal of trust. Is it not?
It's like telling a child there is no Santa Claus. Eventually they will get around to that truth but let them find out that truth after they enjoy the fantasy. We are not hiding the truth - if we were I wouldnt be here but we also don't want people invading the space destroying the illusion for others. You seem to want to call it censorship and that's your perogative. What do you call what you did, however?
All I'm asking is for you to think about this from both sides, not that just your factual post was deleted and you come here claiming censorship. There is another side to this issue and you seem to dismiss that. I don't think I can ever change your mind but since we are laying open the facts; I need to also do so.
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Post by Smashing on Jan 26, 2007 1:36:44 GMT -5
I don't speak for Jennifer, but I want to offer my take.
Re: "the betrayal of trust"
that part is nonsense. You post something on the internet, anywhere on the internet, in public, then it is not a secret, and you should not expect it to be treated like a secret. This board is publically viewable, it is not private. If you want to send private messages, you use private messages. Anything you post on a message board, you should expect it to be public knowledge.
Re: deleting comments. I am in favor of you deleting whatever comments you want. I get the idea of wanting to preserve the illusion. That's why I almost thought I should've asked somebody before I posted here about the original MySpace comments between Scott and Adam. I say 'almost,' because then I realized that those comments were publically viewable, which brings us back to my first point.
So I say let the system work. People are free to comment how they see fit, and you are free to block or delete them.
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Post by paul on Jan 26, 2007 11:56:39 GMT -5
Sure it is somewhat of a betrayal of trust. If I wanted to have a conversation about the reality of this show with the NoHo audience - why would I choose to do it outside of LV? It makes no sense to do it here as this is only a partial audience. Why don't I just post about it within the comments?
Thank you for seeing the point about keeping the illusion. It's OK to post here (I assume - as I don't run this board) your reality findings.
The "system" as you put it - I don't want it to work. And the minute I do "block" or delete someone's comment - I'm going to have to face these censorship charges all over again. It's a no-win situation for me. So why am I even on this board?
Do any of you go over to the the Bree character forum and post about Jess? I don't think anyone from here has. Why? And what if you did? Do you think a moderator there would allow it to stay?
Is it because there is another seperate forum which serves as an outlet to post reality? I mentioned above about the interstitial site where there will be an outlet to do so. Apparently that's not good enough of an answer?
If it isn't then I'm obviously in a no win situation here and will have to think about further participation.
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Post by lesbrent on Jan 26, 2007 13:21:07 GMT -5
Many of us play along and enjoy the nohos et al. Paul, why are you threatening to leave because of essentially one poster's censorship complaints? I too made the mistake of saying that Daniella was Nancy on comments a lonnnng time ago, but I stopped. I like playing along with the characters, it's fun! I've even defended them numerous times in the LV comments.
And the information revealed was not personally given to us by you, Paul. That's were I am a little confused. We weren't betraying your trust because you didn't give only us that information exclusively. You came here after that original detective work was done! Jennifer has never participated in chat and she found out about Iron Sink totally on her own.
We can keep secrets if asked and do. at least those of us that have participated in chat on a regular basis. I have two really juicy secrets that I'm holding close to my chest (not noho) and won't reveal.
So when is your board going to be ready? Let me know so I can be the first to join!
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Post by Jennifer on Jan 26, 2007 21:28:21 GMT -5
Jennifer, The point I was making about LG15 is that they had ZERO interaction with the fans. It was a one way communication for the longest time. And you cannot say for certain that they did not delete any comments. You just don't know if they did. I don't know what they deleted, but I do know what they left. And they did leave people to have their free say on whether Bree was an actor or not (I'm talking about the real life "as they happen" comments on the vids here, not some deliberately created Bree Character forum where the ground rules are clearly known, so I don't think you should confuse the video comment issue with the Bree Character forum). I only brought up LG15, because you did so in defending your (unwritten) policy on video comments as opposed to theirs. Essentially it is not the same. You are free to have your policy, and I am free to comment on it. I call my posting on Livevideo the expression of the truth, which it what it actually was. You and the other viewers are free to ignore it, or form an opinion based thereon as you see fit. You are also free to remove it as it is your channel, whereupon I am free to call that censorship elsewhere, which it is also true. Notice that once the (unwritten) ground rules were established, I didn't call it censorship on your channel or attempt to post further conflict there. I do have respect for your channels which you seem to call into question. That's not too cool, as it isn't true. I don't think you should threaten the people here to review your participation on my account, or my views. Firstly, I am very much a maverick here. I don't participate in the chats and I don't speak for the core membership here, having been very much a latecomer to the site, and indeed not a particularly strong LG15 fan like many others. Secondly, it's unfair to use the issue of your participation which is very much valued by myself and the others, in order to moderate the expression of my views. Win your argument by passion or by logic, and if we don't agree, then I'll be the first to agree to disagree with you. We can still be friends even if we disagree. I'm sure you know that anyway after having read my ramblings for a few months
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Post by paul on Jan 26, 2007 23:41:37 GMT -5
Many of us play along and enjoy the nohos et al. Paul, why are you threatening to leave because of essentially one poster's censorship complaints? I too made the mistake of saying that Daniella was Nancy on comments a lonnnng time ago, but I stopped. I like playing along with the characters, it's fun! I've even defended them numerous times in the LV comments. Many of you do play along. The issue is what happens when someone doesn't play along? I keep getting this "censorship" tag placed over my head. The issue seems that if information is out there; then some people feel that they have a right to post it - even if it's within the context of the illusion and their post shatter that illusion. My quote about rethinking was I don't want something I say here to then be used to shatter the illusion of the show. It is not that some other person found this board and posted the information. It was a member of this board who did it and when I removed it - I was respectful enough to contact her and tell her why I was removing the post. That became the dreaded "censorship". But knowing that information - does that give her a right to go in and post a comment to shatter the illusion? You started your post telling me that you keep the illusion going - and we certainly have communicated outside of the illusion. The detective work aside - and it's great detective work - the post Jennifer made was AFTER I made myself known here. All I ask is that members of this board keep the illusion on the LV site. You want to discuss the reality of it - please do it elsewhere. You do keep secrets well, that I know. I wouldn't be here if I didn't trust some of you but I also don't want to be labelled a censorist because someone feels that they have a right to spoil and I remove a post. Some of you found the identity of Nikki Bower - did any of you go post it on Bree's Chat forum on the Lonelygirl site saying oh that Alli D is a good actress? No, people didn't. Why? Because they know to keep the illusion in that forum. I'm just asking for the same consideration for the NoHo group comments on LV. Soon. I can't wait for it to happen.
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Post by Jennifer on Jan 29, 2007 22:43:15 GMT -5
Well, Ive been speaking to Daniel G of T shirt fame and he has said some influential things. I'm going to relsove to put these differences behind me. It's going to be cryptic though. The present dumbing down of the channel comments is boring.
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Post by milowent on Jan 29, 2007 22:46:29 GMT -5
Well, Ive been speaking to Daniel G of T shirt fame and he has said some influential things. I'm going to relsove to put these differences behind me. It's going to be cryptic though. The present dumbing down of the channel comments is boring. well i hope he wields his influence to get you the shirt!
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2007 4:59:23 GMT -5
If any of you want the shirt - campaign for it. All you have to do is put forth a compelling argument and agree to receive the shirt, wear it for a video, launder it, sign it and send it on to the next person.
Eventually all who want to receive the shirt should have that chance.
-Paul
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Post by lesbrent on Jan 31, 2007 17:15:22 GMT -5
Does our compelling arguement have to be to Daniel G? Email, comment or does it have to be a vid response.
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