Not Bad Just Different

[slainte]

This may be a bitter pill and I offer it only for academic consideration...

Could it be that LG15 is in fact very popular amongst a different demographic than we, and that it's popularity is growing in that demo?

Could it be that here at the Cove there is a great deal of dissappointment about how things have evolved but but the Phorons, The YT Kids, The "Comments Tribe" (at LG15), Revver and elswhere the nes is not so sad?

Clearly we (and I say "we") are different. We talk about writing styles and vlog vs. adventure story apporaches. We talk about the misdirection and manipulation of the "Authors". We blog and investigate, contemplate and consider.

"They" play with the idea of Orange Slurpee conspiracies and crave to be first just for the sake of being first..

"They" talk about how cute Jonus is and have threads like "What's your first name?" and "What's for Dinner", "Rogues Gallery"and "Party Thread" all with thousands, THOUSANDS of posts and views.

"Over to the YT" there are those who think it is important to remind others that Bree is not real - still!

"We" may think things suck. "We" may be frustrated and bailing out in droves because it just is not the LG15 that "we" agreed to.

But hey the Doctor, the Lawyer and the "Indian Chief" the other guy) are in it for the money and they are chasing the demo with the money (read: Disposable Income/young) and maybe they aren't doing so bad.

It should not surprise us that we don't really dig what's going on and where things are headed. We don't like the predictability and the pandering...but we don't watch much TV I bet. WE are more likely to watch TMC than MTV.

[curiousgeorge]

Slainte, I think this has been looked at before and I have always thought this was the case

I'm not quite sure about the market of this demo, because I still have never seen evidence of a profitable revenue stream. The phanatics are loud, but statistically very small part of the potential market. I think that this is the most bizarre element of all of this, they cater to the most vocal but (probably) least profitable part of their potential market.

In doing so they have pretty much destroyed something that probably had a LOT of potential if the film "Pond" was any indication. No clues, just a good story with well developed characters. Yes, I have posted these sentiments a million times and I am sure we are all tired of reading/typing them.

Does it mean I will quit complaining (when warranted) and cease partaking in the occasional phorum joust. Maybe, but not yet... Like many, I have some time invested in this and I have "met" some really cool folks here and at the phorum. Hell, where else could you meet someone like SpacieGirl!

[slainte]

My apologies if I am warming up old mush. I do think the entire LG15 phenomenon is an interesting one. As this is my first foray into any on-line community I am fascinated by its many levels.

[hyemew]

Slainte your introductory message was amazing, sums things up well.
I was looking for a good time to say this, and this is a good thread to do so. The phorumites actually badmouth the Cove and say how we all look down on them. Well? If we don't already (which we do), we should take on the mantle of aristocracy and accept our places at the top of the LG class hierarchy. No matter what they say against us, nowhere is LG15- the series and externally related aspects of it- discussed in such an intelligent and comprehensive manner, without having to sort through pages of FIRSTSSSSSSSSSS. Face it, we are the creme de la creme of LG15 and should accept the recognition and yet burden there comes with being in that position.

[slainte]

Wow Hye well said!

[milowent]

well, this thread is sure to cause lots of fun.

...to avoid too much back chatter, its called SARCASM people!

[hyemew]

To a degree, I still see ourselves as the lonelygirl aristocracy.

[milowent]

hyemew said:

To a degree, I still see ourselves as the lonelygirl aristocracy.

well, i don't. i was not born of noble birth.

slainte started this thread with the title "not bad just different" that's the way i look at it.

[hyemew]

Haha I sound like such a jerk.

[curiousgeorge]

It is careless to make blanket statements about a whole group of people, and I realize my comments above were kind of in that vein. I was talking about the most VOCAL (post count, flame rate, whatever metric) of the crowd.

In the interest of fairness, gogo may be the most articulate poster on either forum at this point... Perhaps that is because she tempers her critiques so well. There are many others, I have read some pretty neat stuff there. Spaciegirl has written some very interesting posts regarding Catholicism, really. You DO have to wade through endless nonsense though to find nuggets of wit and intelligence.

All that said, I think Slainte's original premise is true. I just don't think that there is one simple demo over there. I also stand by my assertion that the creators are the ones to blame. They are the ones who pander to some of the most unpleasant of that teeming masses, for no apparent reason, financial or otherwise.

[hyemew]

I almost mentioned gogo as an exception, she IS certainly a rose amongst the thorns and I've told her before she really belongs here.

[hyemew]

hyemew said:

I almost mentioned gogo as an exception, she IS certainly a rose amongst the thorns and I've told her before she really belongs here.

In my opinion the ARG was the worst thing to ever come to LG15. First off I don't think LG15 is really amenable to becoming an ARG in the first place- though technically I guess anything can be one- and second off it brought to the phorums the most unpleasant people ever encountered. I won't generalize here by saying most, and not all, but you really have to wonder about someone who dedicates their life to playing a game about someone else's. It seems to me like most of the ARGers literally live at the board, discussing this clue and that, wasting their life away. I mean seriously, most of the time the clue they spend hours decoding is completely off the wall and unrelated to begin with that there was no reason to do such a thing in the first place. I think the ARG crew often pursue these "alternate realities" because they are so unhappy with their own that they want to live in another. It's really sad when you think about it. Not saying it's the case for all, because I'm sure the more casual ARGers are just puzzle fans and whatnot, but the most vocal amongst them are the most vocal because they literally live there. I feel completely confident in saying this because killthesmiley, oft' regarded as the most unpleasantest of the unpleasant, has literally come out and say that before. Stuck with 2 kids she doesn't want before 20, she uses the ARG world (both canon and not) as her escape, and it sure seems to be a pretty constant escape. I just noticed yesterday she's also spent probably hours updating her user page at lgpedia and it's pretty much a litany now. Hmm... this might come off as mean, especially if some phorumite drops in again and reports on this back to the masses, but oh well.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll get them off the diagnosis couch and, seeing as I'm sick and just had a dream my house was infested with wild animals that got loose from cages in the garage, I better not say anything more.

[milowent]

hye & cg, i think we should refrain from slagging on those who like the ARGs. its fair to argue about whether the ARGs are a good thing for lg15, but people like what they like. dissecting individual posters like this (not just good natured jabs at folks like iris and tw) makes me uncomfortable.

what do you say to deleting or editing the posts from this morning on the topic?

[hyemew]

Case in point, this is about the saddest thing I have ever seen at the phorum:
www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5808&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

A 5 PAGE and counting thread, all in one night, eagerly awaiting the next iris video. You know, the one where he picked a random Holiday Inn and somehow KNEW they were there. He claims to be there right now (though I couldn't resist checking his IP and seeing as he made 43 other posts in the past from that address, unless he hangs out there on a regular basis...)
The thread only really consists of two people jabbering back and forth about cheesecake or something and is a classic example of phorum trash, where you can skim over pages without a single meaningful thing appearing. The funniest part is when iris has to tell them there won't be a video that night, and that they should go to bed, but their sad and keep on waiting. At one point when discussing what to name one of their avatars (a cat mouse penguin monster with fangs) one replies: "if Iris's video is amazing and insightful and blows our minds name her Iris"
1. How does he have fans, 2. Do they actually expect something amazing and insightful from it?!
I mean I understand those who wait up all night for a new LG video (not that I'd do it myself) but for an Iris video!? Are they that desprate for entertainment in their lives, because seeing as there was already a LG video that day they knew they couldn't count on another? This is just a new low, I'm sorry...

[slainte]

We promise not to use the Cove to advance the cause of the GRC but we would like to recognize hookedonmonics as being the one who coined the term "Gaylien"

Recent web searches and independent research shows that the term has gained some legitimacy already.

What a hoot!!!!

Perfect Tommy of the Banzai Institute for Biomedical Engineering and Strategic Information, a founding member of the Blue Blazer Irregulars and the GRC's resident suspected Gaylien would like to award you a heaping helpin' of Karma to you my Friend

(hey! has that spell-checker been here all along!!! Wow sorry for past horrendous spelling)