ambriel
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Post by ambriel on Sept 21, 2006 20:39:24 GMT -5
Keep in mind that she said they WERENT the order of dendereh(sp?) so she is distancing herself and family from this "religion"
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Post by noasinger on Sept 21, 2006 23:06:34 GMT -5
Keep in mind that she said they WERENT the order of dendereh(sp?) so she is distancing herself and family from this "religion" "Order of Denderah" wouldn't be the religion itself, but sounds more like a hierarchical level within the greater religion. Bree only suggests that her parents *don't know the purpose for the ceremony* because they haven't reached that level. I would imagine they probably know some of the content. To offer pain and personal suffering as a symbol of your devotion or need. This may include feeding work with physical pain or personal revulsion. And lest anyone think, "Ew, how skanky," remember that this is one of the themes which was imported largely from Christianity.
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Post by dharmabum420 on Sept 22, 2006 1:13:14 GMT -5
Unlikely, if they've done their research; Depo-Provera, the injectable birth control method, is only a monthly shot, and Bree seems to be getting them on at least a weekly basis. I'm fairly sure Bree only got a shot once so far. It's possible, because we can't really see if she has a bandage on her arm in "What's a Date?" (although her shirt is tight on her upper arms and I can't see a bulge) and "In the Park". However, she had a bandage on her arm in "My First Kiss", a full 8 days after its first appearance in "House Arrest". I can't think of any shot that would still require a bandage over a week later. My wife used Depo, and it's a very small shot, with only a small band-aid needed; by comparison, I've had horribly botched IVs and some huge inoculations for travel in Asia that only needed a bandage like Bree's for a couple days.
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Post by sunshinerage on Sept 22, 2006 10:08:24 GMT -5
Sun, I find I disagree with some points in your comment, "After more research, I've discovered that Crowley thought Mr. Hubbard was a loon. However, there IS a nice connection here between the Crowley and a "blood ritual" In Liber 777 Crowley creates a correspondance link to about every deity, demon, thoughtform, scent, colour, planet and path (minus Keltoi) going. 2) If Bree is practicing the work involved in the ritual she would be well aware of sexual work involved 3) The Rolling Stones admired Crowley as did many other rock groups, we have not linked them yet 4) The Egyptian deities would be displayed on a stele on her 'shrine', not him 5) "and I think the blood is important because of the iron pills"...........I may have missed some thread here, but since when is iron content important in ritualistic blood letting? Blood letting comes down to four major factors: To give the evoked spirit something to materialise in (one of AC's initiation rites was to use incense for a spirit to become visible in) To offer pain and personal suffering as a symbol of your devotion or need. This may include feeding work with physical pain or personal revulsion. To personalise sigils or spellwork with your own essence And in groups of ancestral worship, to offer life. This is disregarding the subject of life sacrifice and merely focusing on blood letting. I'm not implying that she or the entire LG15 is in any way involved in the actual sexual rituals that Hubbard practiced; I'm merely stating the connections between what we have learned so far. In other words, we have the Crowley connection, we have a ritual connection, and we have the fact that Hubbard, who was an admirer of Crowley's and went to great lengths to praise him, practicing a ritual utilizing the same Egyptian deity as the Denderah temple. I'm just connecting dots. Besides, I was referring to the Hubbard ritual, which has a sort of mystery around it because it was only partially uncovered in the first place. The rituals he performed were the ones I found Crowley thought were absolutely preposterous. As for iron, there is no connection to blood letting, but there's an obvious connection to blood. Iron in the human body is contained largely in the blood, and lack of iron in the blood is the most common cause for the need for iron pills. I hope Bree's parents also know that high iron intake has been linked to Parkinson's. Yeesh. As for a direct connection between this and the two men (Crowley and Hubbard)- I don't know. But I think there's a lot to be observed here as it's obvious that this is a drama unfolding. I don't know why in the world anyone would think "Oh no, they won't go there!" when movies constantly have a teenage girl in mortal peril, about to be sacrificed, married off to a demon, or whatever other "horrible" thing, only to have her saved in the end by the hero. Bree's parents could be getting her ready for any number of things we'd think were terrifying or immoral, but then what kind of plot would we have if all there were going to do was sit her down and pelt her with Care Bears? I just finished filming a documentary with a blood fetish group that's been around since the 80's; I think I'll give them a call and see what they have to offer because some of them utilize Egyptian rituals.
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Post by jayhenry on Sept 22, 2006 10:34:28 GMT -5
As much as I'd love to see Daniel (armed, for whatever reason, with his outdoor cam) charge into the temple or maybe drive his car through the front door, and then, once he's in there, break out the secret Arabic martial-arts passed down from his Assassin-ancestors. After a 3-minute, first person fight scene, which even Jet-Li and Jackie Chan movies have never tried, he then breaks into the ritual room, right before things are about to cross that delicate threshhold between PG-13 and R quickly enroute to a schocking NC-17, and saves Bree from Tom Cruise --
Oh man, is everyone else imagining this as vividly as I am?
-- I just don't see them going quite this way with the plot.
Similarly, other than the current mania around Scientology (Free Katie and Suri and blah blah blah!), is there any reason to believe that Hubbard is somehow involved? I mean, is there a single shred of evidence anywhere, in any of the videos, in any of the comments, that actually points to Scientology?
In order to qualify as evidence, it must be stronger than the connections which led to my avatar (and #1 boy) P.Diddy (who's new album "Press Play" drops Oct. 17) being identified as the mastermind.
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Post by noasinger on Sept 22, 2006 11:51:33 GMT -5
I don't know why in the world anyone would think "Oh no, they won't go there!" when movies constantly have a teenage girl in mortal peril, about to be sacrificed, married off to a demon, or whatever other "horrible" thing, only to have her saved in the end by the hero. Bree's parents could be getting her ready for any number of things we'd think were terrifying or immoral, but then what kind of plot would we have if all there were going to do was sit her down and pelt her with Care Bears? I think everyone's caution with leaping to the darkest horrorshow conclusions stems less from the plot or the audience it might be targeting, and more from what we are guessing about the authors. Mesh's mother, as noted above, has written and lectured on mysticism and feminism and co-authored a famous vegetarian and natural foods cookbook. His best know previous work, the short Pond, deals with a young girl helping a ghost in a museum solve a problem. Miles' creation of the Shoutboy series WestWingers, which satirizes the Bush White House, suggests that his personal politics are somewhere in the liberal spectrum. Based on those considerations, it seems unlikely that they are writing a fictional screed warning people about the Satanic dangers lurking within an alternative religion. I think if they were going the straight HORROR!DANGER!DEMONS! route, they would likely not have made so many allusions to Thelema. And no, jay -- if this were Scientology related, we would have at least seen an E-Meter or heard the words "audit" or "tech" by now.
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syncomm
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Post by syncomm on Sept 22, 2006 15:34:54 GMT -5
5) "and I think the blood is important because of the iron pills"...........I may have missed some thread here, but since when is iron content important in ritualistic blood letting? I concur on this point (and the others, you really do your research!) Actually, I'm not so certain that the pills were Iron pills at all. There are a few reasons for this. Notably, you wouldn't need to take Iron so often that it would be necessary to bring with you while sneaking out. Even people who are anemic only take Iron supplements once a day. Also, I believe there would be a low likelihood of carrying supplements around in a plastic baggie (imagine what the police would say if they found you with a bag of pills in your purse in a park after dark!) Finally, I think it was Daniel who suggested that they were Iron and Bree simply agreed (not totally sure here.) She seemed to be dodging the issue of what they were anyway, which leaves it open as another mystery. I have a feeling they are related to the injection somehow. Cheers, syncomm
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syncomm
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Post by syncomm on Sept 22, 2006 15:46:36 GMT -5
As for a direct connection between this and the two men (Crowley and Hubbard)- I don't know. But I think there's a lot to be observed here as it's obvious that this is a drama unfolding. I don't know why in the world anyone would think "Oh no, they won't go there!" when movies constantly have a teenage girl in mortal peril, about to be sacrificed, married off to a demon, or whatever other "horrible" thing, only to have her saved in the end by the hero. The "Hubbard/Crowley" connection centers mainly on Hubbard's dealings with Jack Parsons, which is an entire subject in and of itself. Basically, Parsons wanted to create a "moon child", which would be an individual incarnation of the archetypal divine female. Hubbard and Parsons worked together on this in a series of rituals called the "Babylon Working." If you dig around on Google there is a lot more information (you may even get a link to my Wiki, lol). As for the "mortal peril" angle, I'm not so sure it will turn out to involve any peril at all. It may simply be a plot device unrelated to anything that would put Bree in danger or require physical rescue. Personally, I see it as a wedge that will cause Bree to choose between Daniel or her parents (and their world view.) Cheers, syncomm
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Cu Roi
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Post by Cu Roi on Sept 23, 2006 4:54:33 GMT -5
It should be noted that Crowley didn't create a dogmatic religion, it's only law was "Do as thou wilt" so Bree's "religion" need not be fictional, only an esoteric sect. That is the whole of the Law...so to speak.
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flwright
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Post by flwright on Oct 11, 2006 14:53:44 GMT -5
The Temple of Denderah is dedicated to Hathor, the Egyptian godess of fertility, women, and motherhood. As Wiki says, she was the personification of the Milky Way, heavenly food, and the bringer of floods to the Nile, provider of earthly food. She was a happy and joyous goddess, a dancer, a friend, not sinister in any way. If Crowley, Hubbard and others hijacked her to rationalize the weird or nasty, they were off base. I wonder which one the Creators will embrace? I did find a nasty Hathor in Wiki, a fictional character from the TV Series, Stargate.<edit added> And there was a yang to Hathor's ying, this was the godess Sekhmet, who "became" Hathor-like after a few beers. <edit added> FLWright
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