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Post by matsie on Aug 4, 2007 7:57:47 GMT -5
Something I noticed last night...Spencer isn't in a helluvalot of the videos. They refer to his being the cameraman in quite a few, but you never hear him say anything. I found that to be quite interesting. I'm pretty sure the actor wasn't even there for a good portion of those videos...Will Spencer be a part of season 2? Will he give up his place at Neutrogena? Will a corporate sponsor ever choose LG15 again?
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Post by hyemew on Aug 4, 2007 9:45:30 GMT -5
I think they forgot the fact that Bree's mom is high up in the Order and would she REALLY allow her daughter to be sacrificed to some elder? I mean we're supposed to hate Bree's mom and we know the Order's evil, but sacrificing your own daughter (even adopted daughter) is a kind of evil I don't even want to think about.
Also I never realized what we saw in episode 10 was Bree dying. Partly its their fault, the abrupt heart monitor cut off did not properly represent a real death, and partly because it seemed so drastic and unecessary. I don't think the Creators realized the messages they were sending with this- if someone stalks you long enough even after you run and try your hardest to escape them for months and months- eventually its just time to give up and let them have you because some little brat you kidnapped tricked you. Even though your an important human being, you need to sacrifice yourself to this cult you despise so your friends can avenge you?? You sacrifice yourself to make your friends no longer be targets, and then tell them to hunt down more girls and save them, thus making yourself targets?
I agree with Terry, I wish episode 11 ended it and that Bree's death was left more open. I have always tried to think of Bree's world as a real place, with real characters going through real emotions. Every time something utterly horrific like this happens which just makes no sense in the real world (not only did they witness Bree's dad's murder but her own?!) I can do nothing but cringe. This would necessitate another few years of mourning, but for all we know they'll be shooting the breeze and playing foosball by Tuesday.
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Post by hookedonmonics on Aug 4, 2007 10:44:05 GMT -5
But the Bree I loved disappeared a long long time ago. This was more just her shadow finally fading away into nothing. agreed. I haven't liked bree for ages, so I wasn't too upset by her death. or maybe I stil don't believe it. If they can make playing a song on a cell phone open a trap door, they can bring her back from the dead.
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Post by spaciegirl on Aug 4, 2007 11:20:38 GMT -5
Temp wishes her speakers worked. Anyway while you lot were crying I was out getting drunk Fucking speakers! Heehe. I like you very much. I'm glad it's over. Hardly any questions were answered. There was no ceremony. There was hardly even any Bree. A shit ton of time was wasted on camera angles and "action". There was gratuitous melodrama..which, amazingly, was enough to distract many people from the lack of much of anything else. AND, Anchor Cove turned into a strange little clusterfuck of weirdness for the day due to the inevitable nosedive of lg15.com. I am not amused.
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Post by hyemew on Aug 4, 2007 11:32:39 GMT -5
I am angry that the ceremony was supposed to happen and it didn't... is a blood transfusion actually a CEREMONY? No more than waiting around in your doctor's office for a prostate exam is. Perhaps it happened off screen, but that'd be even worse than the 10-20-06 ceremony so why would they do that?
I'm still pissed she's dead. Rewatch the Rosencranz & Gildenstern Are Dead episode ("How My Parents Met...") in the context of what just happened and it's kind of interesting.
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Post by Terryfic on Aug 4, 2007 11:58:32 GMT -5
One thing I don't understand is everyone complaining about the lack of a ceremony. If I remember correctly the ceremony was at 4pm, they saw Bree die at 5pm thus there was time for a whole hour of crazy enochian talking and doing the hokey pokey, before they stuck a needle in her arm and gave her magic blood to resurrect their evil nazis zombie leader. Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
And seriously Hye? just because you read it in the paper doesn't make it true. LG is the retcon queen, Daniel's head could have exploded in 1/12 and then by 4/12 he could have been just fine. I stand behind the idea that Bree is as dead as their ability to get Jessica to reprise the role. If she wants to return then Bree is alive, if not...
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Post by wilycoyote100 on Aug 4, 2007 12:19:11 GMT -5
Re the Ceremony: If they had had the budget to make a big, Spielberesque Ceremony then that's what would have dominated the final segments....instead they stayed close to the characters and their emotions, drew some wonderful acting out of these kids, let Mesh be Mesh, got in some fine, quiet, telling dialogue (" Sometimes love isn't enough.") And that's why I feel the last two episodes were......welll.......all things considered (low budget, Vlog constraints, time pressures, this being the internet and not Kennedy Center for the ARts) ....... TRANSCENDENT.
Never thought I'd use Vlog and transcendent in the same sentence....
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Post by suze900 on Aug 4, 2007 12:24:51 GMT -5
I think they forgot the fact that Bree's mom is high up in the Order and would she REALLY allow her daughter to be sacrificed to some elder? I mean we're supposed to hate Bree's mom and we know the Order's evil, but sacrificing your own daughter (even adopted daughter) is a kind of evil I don't even want to think about. My POV (a dark one, admittedly) is that Bree was found to have the trait at birth, or else she was bred to have it in the Order labs (the first test-tube baby was born in 1978, so she could have been conceived that way). She was taken somehow from her birthparents and given to the "Averys" to raise, and they knew all along that she was going to be used for whatever it was we saw yesterday, to keep D*ck Ch*n*y alive or something like that. Her adoptive dad got attached to her over the years, and was making her trait-negative so she would be useless for that purpose. Her "mom" remained committed to the original purpose, and helped the Order kill "dad" and track Bree down. And as for it being too evil to contemplate, I see worse stuff in the paper every day.
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Post by slainte on Aug 4, 2007 12:49:21 GMT -5
is it over? Can I open my eyes now? I siccesssfully missed ALL 12 episodes....Now if the feeding frenzy is over I'll watch em tonight. OR Should I just skip it and watch the last one so I can cry about Bree too and save some time?
Please advise
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Post by spaciegirl on Aug 4, 2007 12:52:10 GMT -5
They couldn't give us a fucking ceremony but they could give us stabbing, watchers, chasing, trap doors, artsy "ironic" carnival beach scenes..etc? Not only did we not get a ceremony..we actually got more questions. And I'm sorry, but lines like "Sometimes love isn't enough" or "I can't compete with a ghost" are not only laughably cheezy they're incredibly trite. There's no way I'm the only person who realizes this. Come the fuck on, people! It's almost like having her say "Love means never having to say you're sorry" or "You are the wind beneath my wings." Gag me with a spoon.
PS By the by, how tacky and retarded was the guy (or two?) in the black hooded halloween cape in the medical facility?! lol
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Post by spaciegirl on Aug 4, 2007 12:54:51 GMT -5
is it over? Can I open my eyes now? I siccesssfully missed ALL 12 episodes....Now if the feeding frenzy is over I'll watch em tonight. OR Should I just skip it and watch the last one so I can cry about Bree too and save some time? Please advise Oh please watch the glorious artfest of episodes 11 and 12! If you cry, I will personally fly up there and kick you in the junk.
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Post by Terryfic on Aug 4, 2007 13:02:50 GMT -5
Yeah capeguy made me laugh something fantastic. He was almost as nonthreatening as the giggling Greg watcher.
I still liked episode 11, but I can see where you are coming from spacie. But remember Sarah is not a very smart or well spoken girl. Perhaps I'm just a sucker for post modernity, but her trite lines ring more real then if they had been actually meaningful. That is how teenagers really talk, they take their queues from the media and stuff like "Sometimes love isn't enough" is the sort of thing I would expect. It isn't great or memorable writing, but it felt more realistic to me then having her go off on a well written Dawson's Creek unrealistic style speech. As ridiculous as it sounds sometimes a bad performance is more powerful, as it rings closer to the truth, then a good one.
But no, I never shed a tear, and I'm honestly surprised anyone else did. And I'm an overly emotional person, I had to stop watching The Corporation at times as I found it too overwhelming.
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Post by spaciegirl on Aug 4, 2007 13:15:33 GMT -5
Ok, I can see that. That makes sense..but somehow I doubt that that was the intent. It would be nice, I guess, but it seems like wishful thinking to me. Anyway..I'm glad someone else didn't cry and laughed at the cape guy!
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Post by robtomorrow on Aug 4, 2007 13:15:34 GMT -5
Many of us fell in love with the character Bree, somehow they created a compelling character in the early videos. It's hard to explain exactly how they were able to do that, I doubt that even the C's really know, and I doubt if they will be able to do it again. It was a perfect combination of the passion and enthusiasm that Mesh, Miles and Goodfried brought to this project and Jessica Rose's talent to bring the character to life.
The story went haywire when they shifted gears and tried to turn this into a longterm series, and it became an absurd, convoluted, senseless, plot less mess.
The finale was as senseless as most of the last year has been. The premise of the final death scene , that a trait of someone's blood would extend someone else's life span through a blood transfusion, was ridiculous.
I think no matter how ridiculous the final demise of Bree had been it still would of affected us who feel in love with the Bree of "My First Kiss".
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Post by hyemew on Aug 4, 2007 13:20:14 GMT -5
Shhh... cavemen didn't have the tool of language.
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