Topic: TJ Marsh (Iris) Vlogging OVer (Read 1,344 times)
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Re: TJ Marsh (Iris) Vlogging OVer « Reply #15 on Sept 1, 2007, 2:07pm »
Yeah, I frankly think the age of Cassie as a prescence in the Breeniverse has passed and the time for mystery is over. The show has so completely departed from anything it ever was back then that Cassie is a complete anachronism anyway. I really don't buy the Creators denials. They've been known to pad their story with 'fan creations' (a la Nikki B) who, even in the face of obvious canonization (discovering Alli D.) was still maintained by them as a fan creation not connected to them... and then proceeded to canonize her :-? . There is prescendent for them to claim they had nothing to do with a character, with their definition of "not connected" being so loose that none other than one of their wives being the producer still implied no connection because the three Creators were not personally behind it. This leaves open a ton of possibilities of people they know who they let get involved with Cassie without actually themselves controlling it. Though there have been denials that friends were involved (from Glenn at least, not sure if the Creators ever said so) I really don't see how anything less is possible. We've never seen anything in the Breeniverse before or since that came close to matching the calibur of Cassie, both in engagement and cinematic professionalism that didn't end up being a part of the show. The mystery is such that even if the Creators are just as in the dark as we are about Cassie, we are left to wonder not only who it was but WHY they never showed themselves again to our knowledge.
Let's not forget that these fans didn't just find one place, they found two. The park was discovered for episode 2 despite no clues to it either. I was given the explanation that this "fan" just knew the area well, but to not only be able to find the swimming hole (odds... extremely slim) but a random park out of all the random parks in the LA area (sure if you knew them all REALLY well you might be able to figure out which one it was, but don't forget that the In the Park episode was filmed at night with almost none of it visible. It's basically Bree standing under a light and then some meanderings through the dark with no park landmarks recognizable. Sorry for not believing the explanation that it wouldn't be hard to track this park down with such "clues", but there's basically no way possible to find the right place (and be sure it even is the right place) without inside knowledge. Maybe finding one of them, the park especially, is a fluke, but lightning doesn't strike twice- especially with the average LG15 fan..
I think with the upcoming Cassie anniversary, we should really debate, discuss, and investigate her more- it's way more interesting than the current story at the very least.
Re: TJ Marsh (Iris) Vlogging OVer « Reply #16 on Sept 2, 2007, 6:55am »
I agree Hye, it is more interesting than the current story right now. There is so much still left unanswered.
That was my point in the 'Swimming' thread, that the "fans" found the right locations twice, with little time between the official LG videos and their own. And they just knew they were the right locations. Both videos have a huge amount of confidence about them, flaunting the locations and giving clues as to how to find them. The confidence is suspicious in itself. And then the fact that everyone thinks Cassie was "gamejacked" just makes the whole thing even weirder.
I think it does seem like it was made by someone who knew the creators, but as it got more and more attention - that I don't think they expected, or could handle (because the C's storyline wasn't properly planned out to last a long time and incorporate Cassie)- and as it began to be more popular than LG, then as the Cs storyline went in a different direction, I just think they thought it was better to abandon it.
If it was a random LG fan, I would think they would revel in the popularity, and "fame" and not just abandon it like this. But like I said before, if they were connected to the Cs in anyway, you could see them ditching this out of respect.
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Re: TJ Marsh (Iris) Vlogging OVer « Reply #17 on Sept 2, 2007, 11:20pm »
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Iris has known to... annoy the members of the phorum (though most likely those generations of fans had left long ago and don't watch his stuff.) He's probably hardly known to the people there now and as such barely gets any hits. I don't think he actually really 'cared' about Bree as so much as he's an aspiring actor playing a role.
I'm still here..but you're right- I don't watch his stuff.
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I agree with glenn, none of the the people from the LG15 crew knows anything..nor does glenn. and i dont as well.
The above is a perfect example of why Iris annoyed many of us. Self-important definitive statements that imply some kind of connectivity. I don't know if that type of tone is/ was intentional....but it is/was irritating.
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Glenn knows more than he lets on! Let's chase him around Anchor Cove with pitchforks until he gives us more information
I'm sharpening my pitchfork to a diamond point as we speak.
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Re: TJ Marsh (Iris) Vlogging OVer « Reply #18 on Sept 3, 2007, 4:13am »
I've always thought that La Cienega Park was hardly as impressive a find as the Swimming location. Though I think Google Earth would've helped greatly for that (that's how Archetype found Bree's house and other locations).
Did the comments on YouTube or the message board ID La Cienega from the LG15 video before the 2nd CIW vid posted?
Re-watch the 2nd CIW vid. The FX used (and Manson pix) make it seem like a thrown together "creepy" video done in a rush (probably the morning it posted). It's nowhere near as cool as the first.
That rush job and the 2 week break between that video and Revelation 1 prove that CIW was making it up as they went, to an extent. If they had an inside connection, things would've been different.
BTW: My OpAphid video, "The Action of An Enemy," with the payphone shot--that is what I would've done for the 2nd CIW video, were I behind it.
Re: TJ Marsh (Iris) Vlogging OVer « Reply #19 on Sept 3, 2007, 6:03am »
I guess, Glenn - there are some weird stalkery people out there! I think what you said about the second video does make a lot of sense though. It didn't look as though as much thought had been put into it as the first one. The Manson pictures do seem like the first thing that would have popped into their heads to give the video a "creepy" feel that could be associated with the occult. But then again, the whole series at this point was really just red herrings that were never intended to make any sense. And the c's have used bad taste and poor judgment before ('Like a Virgin," "Everybody Does It") and cliches (too many to mention).
It could be possible they oversaw it. At the time LG wasn't really geared towards PG13 viewers. But what if the connections CiW had with the creators wasn't really on a such a professional level with the cs overseeing it, but more as a friend or something and they got told the locations as a bit of a tip off? Whether it was in line with what the c's stood for or not, it certainly made LG more popular. Maybe they did let CiW know the second location to generate more hype. I don't know; it doesn't really seem like them the way they have been post Bree eating garbage, but I'm not convince it wasn't like them when LG was still just a short, eerie production.
I toss up between thinking it was someone associated with the c's (and "associated" could really be a very lose association) and a random obsessive fan.
There were some rather obsessive people at the time who were working tirelessly to find out who was behind LG and to be a part of the phenomenon themselves, so I suppose striking it lucky twice isn't really that out of the question.
I was just thinking about Lonesome October. When he first started making videos I was suspicious of him too, and almost certain he would have had some connections to the creators. True, he didn't go to any locations, but he didn't manage to find Bree's toys - as other fans did as well. At the time, I thought the videos were too clever to be produced by a fan. But he really was just a fan after all.
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Re: TJ Marsh (Iris) Vlogging OVer « Reply #20 on Sept 3, 2007, 11:29pm »
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That rush job and the 2 week break between that video and Revelation 1 prove that CIW was making it up as they went, to an extent. If they had an inside connection, things would've been different.
Wait... so you're saying that they were making it up as they went along is proof the Creators WEREN'T involved?! I thought such a tactic would point right to them! While this might appear to be sarcasm, actually it's not. I'm totally serious.
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Re: TJ Marsh (Iris) Vlogging OVer « Reply #21 on Sept 5, 2007, 9:06pm »
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Iris has known to... annoy the members of the phorum (though most likely those generations of fans had left long ago and don't watch his stuff.) He's probably hardly known to the people there now and as such barely gets any hits. I don't think he actually really 'cared' about Bree as so much as he's an aspiring actor playing a role.
I'm still here..but you're right- I don't watch his stuff.
The above is a perfect example of why Iris annoyed many of us. Self-important definitive statements that imply some kind of connectivity. I don't know if that type of tone is/ was intentional....but it is/was irritating.
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Glenn knows more than he lets on! Let's chase him around Anchor Cove with pitchforks until he gives us more information
I'm sharpening my pitchfork to a diamond point as we speak.
I never said anything about what or who i know, and for you to sit here and say you think i ment it that way is completly wrong. I do not Nor do i want to be involved with LG15 period besides my fan vids. I love being a long time fan as much as all of you, and if anything there is a ton of anoying people like you Spaciegirl that swore she was leaving for good. I love to keep my mouth shut, but you opened it really big now. I think that you to point me out is completly annoying. I responded because people keept asking if i knew who was behind Cassie(whatever) and i responded.
So thanks for opening my mouth.
Btw: hey Hyemew and Glenn and Milo and many other. Lovely forum!
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I think what you said about the second video does make a lot of sense though. It didn't look as though as much thought had been put into it as the first one. The Manson pictures do seem like the first thing that would have popped into their heads to give the video a "creepy" feel that could be associated with the occult. But then again, the whole series at this point was really just red herrings that were never intended to make any sense. And the c's have used bad taste and poor judgment before ('Like a Virgin," "Everybody Does It") and cliches (too many to mention).
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